Good guys vs Bad guys in chess based on Liren Ding’s stupid list of role model players ( 2023Apr ) and Team Hans vs Team Magnus ( 2022Sep )

Series : Good guys vs Bad guys – Table of Contents

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2023Dec Update : Politics applied to chess : George Bush’s ‘Axis of Evil’ ( 2002 ) vs Bobby Fischer’s ‘Allies of Evil’ ( 2005 ) applied to Team Magnus vs Team Hans for 2022 – 2023.

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Part1 – Team Hans vs Team Magnus

From oo-op2 in r/anarchychess ‘Is this a draw?‘ ( post ID xqd5hl – date 2022Sep28 )

Btw I’m assuming Team X here doesn’t necessarily mean like…

• ‘Team Magnus’ doesn’t mean ‘I believe to the same degree as Magnus that Hans cheated OTB.’
• ‘Team Hans’ doesn’t mean ‘I go from absence of evidence to evidence of absence. Not only is there no evidence Hans cheated OTB but also is there evidence Hans didn’t cheat OTB.’
• I guess it’s just more general Team X = X ‘sucks’ less. Lol.
• So ‘Team Magnus’ could be ‘Yeah well Hans cheated online a lot and probably cheated in other OTB games if not this. Also, Magnus did not commit defamation or conspire w/ chessc*m or Hikaru.’
• And similarly ‘Team Hans’ could be ‘Magnus Carlsen & Garry Kasparov cheated a lot. What hypocrites! So world chess champions are allowed to cheat? Also, Magnus conspired w/ chessc*m or Hikaru. Or worse Magnus manipulated chessc*m & Hikaru & FIDE against Hans Niemann and possibly other Jewish or American players like Wesley So in 2022 WFRCC.’

Anyhoo I ‘corrected’ this in r/chess960 and added Sergey :

‘Team Magnus vs Team Hans but corrected Wesley So’s team and added Sergey Karjakin‘ ( post ID z7ae0s – date 2022Nov29 )

Well I mean afaik Wesley So never said anything on the incident up to the end of 2022 except that Hans is the most disrespectful teenager in chess (as pointed out by tehtex the Iranian person from the Alireza hack thing in 2018) in an interview w/c has a part where I consider to be support for my Carissa Yip x Wesley So ship theory.

Also not sure if Nepo & Eric Hansen are really Team Magnus over Team Hans though. ( 2023Oct Update : I guess I’d consider those things like good guy has beef w/ another good guy instead of real bad guy. )

Team Magnus Carlsen vs Team Hans Niemann (both versions) – video ID Vj8LFGMJbdY – date 2023Aug25

And separately :

Team Magnus Carlsen vs Team Hans Niemann (old version) – video ID aNc4LyuOzK8 – 2023Oct26

Team Magnus Carlsen vs Team Hans Niemann (new version) – video ID d4Asn1iKBU0 – 2023Oct26

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Part2 – Liren Ding’s stupid list of role model players

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Part3 – Good guys vs Bad guys : ( 2023Apr ) – or if you want they can be Axis of Evil vs Allies of Evil

• Axis of Evil = Good guys : Wesley So, Bobby Fischer, Sergey Karjakin, Vladimir Kramnik, Hans Niemann, Ian Nepomniachtchi
• Allies of Evil = Bad guys : Magnus Carlsen, Garry Kasparov, Daniil Dubov, Veselin Topalov, Hikaru Nakamura, Liren Ding

Possible extension :

• Axis of Evil = Good guys : Nodirbek Abdusattorov, Alireza Firouzja, Aman Hambleton, Andrii Baryshpolets, Viswanathan Anand, Gata Kamsky, Jan-Krzysztof Duda, Bibi Netanyahu, Donald Trump, Tristan & Andrew Tate
• Allies of Evil = Bad guys : Vincent Keymer, Aryan Tari, Lawrence Trent, Arkady Dvorkovich, Peter Heine Nielsen, Alejandro Ramirez, Richárd Rapport, Ariel Sharon, George Bush Jr & Sr, Piers Morgan
• Axis of Evil = Good girls : Tingjie Lei ( or Nazí Paikidze ), Janelle Frayna, Dina Belenkaya, Sara Khadem (or Carissa Yip), Robbi Jade Lew
• Allies of Evil = Bad girls : Wenjun Ju, Bella Khotenashvili, Andrea Botez, Atousa Pourkashiyan-Nakamura, Nemo Zhou
• Axis of Evil = Good entities : Chesscube, Lichess, 9LX
• Allies of Evil = Bad entities : PCA, Chessc*m, Chess1

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Table version :

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Text version :

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Why are they compared?	Axis of Evil = Good guys	>	Allies of Evil = Bad guys
	including my list ( but I believe Nepo would agree w/ my list ) to counter Liren Ding’s list	>	including Liren Ding’s list
	including the top 2 classical WFRCCs ( Bobby Fischer is honourary 0th ) as of 2023Jul – or alternatively the 1st 2 classical WFRCCs	>	including the top 2 classical WCCs
2019 WFRCC finalists	Wesley So	>	Magnus Carlsen
2006 WCC finalists	Vladimir Kramnik	>	Veselin Topalov
1975 WCC finalists (in a way)	Bobby Fischer	>	Garry Kasparov ( since Garry drew a million times with Anatoly Karpov )

Russian 2021 WCC seconds & part of top 3 of 2016 rapid WCC	Sergey Karjakin	>	Daniil Dubov
2023 WCC finalists i.e. top 2 in 2022 Candidates	Ian Nepomniachtchi	>	Liren Ding
American players involved in 2022 Sinquefield Cup who have initials ‘HN’	Hans Niemann	>	Hikaru Nakamura
Websites	Lichess	>	Chessc*m
Variant	9LX	>	Chess1

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More detailed table version :

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Why are they compared?	Person	Axis of Evil = Good guys	>	Person	Allies of Evil = Bad guys
2019 WFRCC finalists Also top 1 & classical world champion for each chess variant	Wesley So, top 1 in classical FRC	Top 1 in classical 9LX, despite -2 score a year prior in the 2018 candidates — 2019 classical WFRCC winner, w/ a score of 13.5-2.5 from ( 4W, 2D, 0L ), almost like Bobby Fischer’s double 6-0-0 in the 1971 candidates – ‘Completely obliterated‘, as agadmator said, that talentless patzer Magnus by winning 3x classical games in a row vs Magnus, the 1st time in a WC finals or semi-finals ( or finals of a knockout candidates ) since Vishy Anand vs Alexei Shirov 2 decades prior in 2000 FIDE classical WCC – In classical FRC : Played the most games ( 14 ), drew the most ( 8 ), won the most ( 6 ), lost the fewest ( 0 ) and was the only player to never lose. – Hence recognised as true and only successor of h uncle Bobby Fischer as the current inaugural and only classical WFRCC, even to the point of not having seconds or coaches. — Faced ‘barracudas’ in open tournaments. — Correctly accused Tigran L Petrosian of engine cheating, like how Bobby Fischer correctly accused Tigran V Petrosian, Paul Keres & Efim Geller of cheating by collusion. — ‘Is a prodigy, had a rather dark childhood and is American‘ like compatriots Beth Harmon, Bobby Fischer & Hans Niemann.	>	Magnus Carlsen	Top 1 in classical regular chess now and of all time and 5-time reigning classical WCC yet… — 2019 classical WFRCC finals loser, despite being 4-time reigning classical WCC & top classical regular chess player then and of all time – Lost 3x classical games in a row the 1st time in a WC finals or semi-finals since Vishy Anand vs Alexei Shirov 2 decades prior in 2000 FIDE classical WCC – In classical FRC : Has the most losses ( 4 ) and ties w/ Hikaru, Vladimir Fedoseev & Peter Svidler for lowest score – Hence exposed as a talentless patzer i.e. sucking at middlegames or endgames. – Even got only top 3 in score behind Nepo ( in both classical & rapid portions ). — ‘Pampered goldfish‘ who got invites to elite tournaments. — Racist against Jewish or American players and Quisling European traitor : Eg1 Cheated 6 Jews Anish, Danya 2x, Nepo, Alexandra Kosteniuk & MVL ( via Alireza ), all fellow-Europeans ( or fellow-European-descent ) – Eg1.1 – Gaslighted reporter re fellow-European Nepo, inspired by predecessor Garry’s gaslighting fellow European Judit – Eg1.2 – As a teenager, 19yo Magnus cheated a Jewish woman Alexandra Kosteniuk, then women’s classical WCC, inspired by predecessor Garry’s cheating Jewish Judit & the top female player then ( and of all time ) – Eg1.3 – Cheated a minor – 16yo Alireza out of racism against Jewish MVL, the top French at the time, inspired by predecessor Garry Kasparov’s cheating a teenage girl, 17yo Judit Eg2 Baselessly and incorrectly, and thus hypocritically, accused Jewish American teenager 19yo Hans Niemann of classical OTB cheating despite Magnus’ having cheated Jewish or American players, in particular Magnus was 19yo when Magnus cheated Alexandra Kosteniuk – Traitor to Nordic countries / Scandinavia ( ironically Quisling ) since Hans is of Danish-descent, and this treason was probably inspired by Quisling predecessor Garry Kasparov’s treason against Jewish Europeans Eg3 Refused to play Jewish American fellow-cheater Hans Niemann but plays – fellow-(gentile, non-American cheaters) Parham, Pranav, Sébastien Feller – Jewish Quisling traitor fellow-(anti-American cheater) Garry – American Quisling traitor fellow-(anti-Semitic cheater) Hikaru
2006 WCC finalists — 2023Sep Update	Vladimir Kramnik	FAIR 2006 WCC winner, even after forfeiting a game AS WHITE — Oh Vlad. Why’d you do that to Hans, a fellow Jew?! But I think it’s ok.	> — <	Veselin Topalov	2006 WCC loser, even after winning a game by forfeit. / Baselessly accused a Jew and thus is possibly anti-Semitic. — Idk… Likes 9LX while Vlad’s more into no-castling chess?
1975 WCC finalists ( in a way ) or just 2 players who have been top 1 in classical FIDE rating ( I think Garry was the 1st to get a rating higher than Bobby’s peak. ) like 1st to break 2700 vs 1st to break 2800. Also as of 2024Mar, they’ve been designated hostile / terrorists / extremists by their countries. Lol.	Bobby Fischer	Is a prodigy, had a rather dark childhood and is American like compatriots Beth Harmon, Wesley So & Hans Niemann. Friends w/ Judit Polgar. — Rightful classical WCC from 1963 to death in 2008 – for a record of 45 years, w/c is more than 1.5 times 27 years, the record of Emanuel Lasker, – including being rightful youngest classical WCC in 1963, – rightfully winning title from Mikhail Botvinnik in 1963 and losing title to Vishy Anand in 2008 – would’ve won 1975 classical WCC Correctly accused Tigran V Petrosian, Paul Keres & Efim Geller of cheating by collusion, like how Wesley So correctly accused Tigran L Petrosian of cheating. — Created 9LX and hence is the 0th honourary classical WFRCC – predecessor of compatriot & nephew Wesley So, who is Bobby’s true and only successor and who in turn is a former compatriot of Bobby’s best friend Eugene Torre. — Plays simul’s of up to 60 boards for anyone.	>	Garry Kasparov (since Garry drew a million times with Anatoly Karpov)	Traitor to Jews by cheating fellow Jews – Hungarian Judit Polgar in 1994 Linares & Latvian / Spanish Alexei Shirov in 2000 PCA classical WCC. – Gaslighted reporter re Judit, w/c inspired successor Magnus Carlsen’s Nepo & treason against Hans, who is of Danish-descent. — Also cheated Vishy Anand in 1995 PCA classical WCC & the 1999 Kasparov vs the world. Baselessly and incorrectly accused American IBM re the 1997 Deep Blue rematch and thus is a traitor to Jews-or-Americans for now a 3rd reason. — Created PCA to compete with FIDE in 1993, just a year after Bobby Fischer has a rematch w/ Boris Spassky in 1992. Lol. Coincidence? More like copying Bobby. – also created out of complaining of ‘corruption and a lack of professionalism within FIDE’ vs Philippine FIDE president Florencio Campomanes (worse supposedly than Prospero Pichay Jr? Or Bobby Ang?) yet Garry was corrupt anyway eg in cheating LOL. — Plays simul’s of 20 boards for 1900 and under only, as exposed by Bobby Fischer on 2001Apr28 on Philippine radio – Later, Wesley So, a Philippine-born becomes Bobby’s successor by beating Garry’s successor Magnus

2021 WCC seconds & part of 2016 rapid WCC top 3	Sergey Karjakin	2016 rapid WCC winner Patriot (in chess but nationalistic in politics in the anti-Putin POV) in – Calling out Daniil Dubov re betrayal in 2021 classical WCC, particularly since Magnus cheated their fellow Jewish Russians Nepo (in the 2021 classical WCC itself!) & Alexandra Kosteniuk. Magnus even later cheated Jewish Russian-born Anish!) – (Also based European) in siding w/ 3 Americans Wesley So, Bobby Fischer & Hans Niemann (2 Jewish of course) over fellow European Magnus on 2022Sep07. – in particular saying fellow Jew-or-American Wesley So ‘is a hero’ though Wesley So previously said ‘I don’t want Sergey to be in the candidates.’ – Standing up for compatriot prodigy Andrey Esipenko by speaking against traitor Daniil Dubov & cheater Hikaru Nakamura in 2021Dec re the 2022 FIDE Grand Prix	>	Daniil Dubov	2016 rapid WCC loser Traitor to Jews & Russians (in chess but not necessarily in politics – could be based patriot) by siding w/ gentile non-Russian ( & non-Soviet & non-American ) racist cheater over 2 fellow-Jewish Russians in 2021 classical WCC
2023 WCC finalists i.e. top 2 in 2022 Candidates	Ian Nepomniachtchi	2022 Candidates winner by 1.5 points. — Drew w/ Liren in classical of 2023 WCC but has more black wins ( 1 ) and even beat, by a black win, Liren earlier in 2022 Candidates. — Top 2 in classical 9LX, in rapid 9LX in 2019 WFRCC & in rapid 9LX in 2022 WFRCC — Would probably prefer fellow Jews-or-Americans Vlad Kramnik, Wesley So & Bobby Fischer	>	Liren Ding	2022 Candidates loser and was so close to not being 2nd place after taking place of robbed Sergey Karjakin. — Drew w/ Nepo in classical of 2023 WCC but has fewer black wins ( NONE ) and even lost as white to Nepo earlier in 2022 Candidates. Actually never as black beat Nepo in classical. And even after the WCC, Nepo still has overall more classical wins 6 to 5 w/ 17 draws! — Never even played 9LX in FIDE or St Louis? See frchess or fischer random FIDE … hasn’t even played live or correspondence in chefshouse chessc*m account! And wait … Liren has no lichess account?!?!?! – 2024Feb Update : Lol, look at Liren 2024 Freestyle. — Stupid role model list which inspired my bad guys vs good guys list.

American players involved in 2022 Sinquefield Cup who have initials ‘HN’	Hans Niemann	FAIRLY beat, as black the reigning 5-time classical WCC & talentless patzer fake WC in an OTB classical game in the 2022 Sinquefield Cup Is a prodigy, had a rather dark childhood and is American like compatriots Beth Harmon, Bobby Fischer & Wesley So.	>	Hikaru Nakamura	2022 rapid WFRCC yet never won any classical FRC game & even ties w/ Magnus for lowest classical FRC score US traitor by siding w/ racist hypocritical cheater non-American’s baseless accusation of teenage compatriot of classical OTB cheating. Then all of a sudden so silent ever since being sued by said teenager. Yeah probably listening to lawyers but ONLY AFTER BEING SUED LOL. Anti-semitic racist and thus traitor to Jews-or-Americans – For cheating Jewish ( future fellow-American ) Levon Aronian in 2016 Candidates and thus – Because Hans is Jewish
Websites	Lichess / Thibault Duplessis	Free puzzles by phase (opening, middlegame, endgame), by openings & by endgame type	>	Chessc*m / Daniel ‘Danny ‘Rensch	Not free Indirectly US traitor by siding w/ racist non-American gentile’s baseless accusation of teenage compatriot of classical OTB cheating by pointing out Hans’ OTB progress in their report of ONLINE cheating.
Variant	9LX aka 960, chess960, chess 960, chess9LX, chess 9LX, FRC, Fischer Random Chess, Fischerrandom Chess, Fischerandom Chess, Fischer chess, Phisher-Ransom	Invented by Bobby Fischer.	>	Chess1 aka regular chess aka classical-variant chess	Invented by ‘Garry Chess’.

Also you can re-arrange Hikaru, Wesley So, Magnus & Hans :

Summary :

Why are they compared?	Good guys	>	Bad guys
WFRCCs	Wesley So	>	Hikaru Nakamura
2022 Sinquefield Cup	Hans Niemann	>	Magnus Carlsen

Detailed :

Why are they compared?	Person	Axis of Evil = Good guys	>	Person	Allies of Evil = Bad guys
WFRCCs	Wesley So	2019 classical WFRCC who scored the highest in (fast) rapid portion of semi-finals & finals The 2015 USCC thing w/ Var Akobian was a misunderstanding not cheating but ok fine Wesley So was a gaslighting villain to Maurice Ashley that 1 time, but it was Leny So’s fault.	>	Hikaru Nakamura	2022 rapid WFRCC who never won a classical FRC game Cheated Levon Aronian in 2016 Candidates and thus is a hypocrite in 2022.
2022 Sinquefield Cup players of Scandinavian-descent	Hans Niemann	7th place	>	Magnus Carlsen	10th place

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2023Jul-onwards Update – Additional good guys vs bad guys maybe :

Summary:

Why are they compared?	Axis of Evil = Good guys	>	Allies of Evil = Bad guys
Dead entities ( 2020 )	Chesscube	>	PCA
2022 Candidates ( 2022Jun – 2022Jul )	Jan-Krzysztof Duda	>	Richárd Rapport
2022 FIDE presidential elections ( 2022Aug )	Andrii Baryshpolets	>	Arkady Dvorkovich
2022 FIDE vice-presidential elections ( 2022Aug )	Viswanathan Anand	>	Peter Heine Nielsen
2022 Mogul Chessboxing  (mid 2022Dec )	Dina Belenkaya	>	Andrea Botez w/ Alex Botez
2022 Mogul Chessboxing ( mid 2022Dec )	Aman Hambleton	>	Lawrence Trent
2022 women’s blitz WCC ( late 2022Dec )	Janelle Frayna	>	Bella Khotenashvili
Formerly Iranian federation yet Iran-heroic no-hijab protesters in 2022 women’s blitz WCC ( late 2022Dec ) ( or alternatively… ) Romantic partners of classical / rapid WFRCC’s ( 2023Jul )	Sarasadat Khademalsharieh (Sara Khadem) ( or alternatively… ) Carissa Yip	>	Atousa Pourkashiyan-Nakamura
2023 Tata Steel ( 2023Jan )	Nodirbek Abdusattorov	>	Vincent Keymer
Iranian-descent in 2023 Norway Chess (2023Jun)	Alireza Firouzja	>	Aryan Tari
2023 women’s WCC finalists ( 2023Jul ) ( or alternatively… ) 2023Jul female players with notably punny names	Tingjie Lei ( or alternatively… ) Nazí Paikidze	>	Wenjun Ju
Wesley So’s family as of 2023Aug	Adoptive family	>	Bio family
Main characters of major chess movies /series of last 3 decades that are based on a book/s (2023Aug)	Beth Harmon	>	Josh Waitzkin
Re poker & chess ( 2022Sep re Robbi Jade Lew & Garrett Adelstein and then 1 year later 2023Sep )	Robbi Jade Lew	>	Nemo Zhou
2022Dec – they played, and Andrew Tate won. 2023Oct – Piers interviewed Hans.	Andrew Tate	>	Piers Morgan
2023Nov – US Republican presidents that I’ve been learning about in 2023 because of nephew Wesley So & uncle Bobby Fischer. Actually the 2 most recent US Republican presidents as of 2023Nov.	Donald Trump	>	George Bush Jr
2023Dec – relatives of people here already. Lol. But related to 2023 rapid / blitz WCC. Now my list has the 3 most recent US Republican presidents as of 2023Dec ( and I guess up to 2024Oct )	Tristan Tate	>	George Bush Sr

Detailed :

Why are they compared?	Person	Axis of Evil = Good guys	>	Person	Allies of Evil = Bad guys
2022 Candidates ( 2022Jun – 2022Jul )	Jan-Krzysztof Duda	7th place on tiebreaks ( Neustadtl Sonneborn–Berger score ) Hopes traitor Hikaru won’t be world champion. ( 2023Jun13 ) Makes Jewish fellow-Polish Akiba Rubinstein proud.		Richárd Rapport	8th place, aka LAST PLACE on tiebreaks ( Neustadtl Sonneborn–Berger score ) 2nd of Liren in the fake 2023 classical WCC after possibly pre-arranging a loss to get Liren into 2nd place ( thus stealing spot from Teimour Radjabov or I guess that traitor Hikaru. But ok fine, Hikaru is way more evil than Liren ). Makes Jewish fellow-( Hungarian-born ) the Polgar’s ashamed. Gentile European nationalist like Vincent Keymer. Missed the space left behind vs Alireza Firouzja in 2022 Candidates.
Dead entities ( 2020 )	Chesscube	Competitor of lichess & chessc*m. Had online 9LX before chessc*m & lichess.	>	PCA	Competitor of FIDE for corruption and yet was corrupt anyway LOL. Eg Garry cheated Vishy Anand in 1995 & fellow-Jew Alexei Shirov in 2000. Creator is a cheater & a traitor to Jews for cheating a fellow-Jew.
2022 FIDE presidential elections	Andrii Baryshpolets	GM & PhD in Economics Liked by fellow (Jew or Russian / Ukrainian / Soviet or American [permanent resident]) Ben Finegold	>	Arkady Dvorkovich	Master’s(?) in Economics Disliked by fellow (Jew or Russian / Ukrainian / Soviet or American) Ben Finegold – see : Can someone help me find a YouTube video where Ben Finegold says that, “FIDE steals a lot of money, and they’re good at it”?
2022 FIDE vice-presidential elections	Viswanathan Anand	2800. 5x classical WCC< only 1 won on rapid tiebreaks. Still not retired. Latest record for WCC winner by winning 3x classical games vs Alexei Shirov in a row (2000) (Closest break is Wesley So vs Magnus Carlsen in 2019 WFRCC)	>	Peter Heine Nielsen	Peak class is flat 2700 in 2010Jul. Plays shogi like how overlord Magnus plays poker. Scandinavian nationalist & Danish Quisling traitor not just Scandinavian Quisling traitor for indirectly (directly?) supporting Magnus re Hans, who is of Danish-descent. Ruined Andrii’s chances of winning the 2022 FIDE elections : apasthamba (2022Jul26) told me : ‘I like Andrii, And have been hoping for his victory, I just don’t like phn. He’s a whiny little bitch.’
2022 Mogul Chessboxing ( mid 2022Dec )	Dina Belenkaya	2022 Mogul Chessboxing Winner. Not a tie. WINNER. MWAHAHAHAHA. Praised Wesley So (Dina’s lucky charm) in the 2022 FIDE Grand Prix, brought up that Wesley So is the WFRCC (after Dina & I talked on twitch lol) and even said re Magnus ‘You’re going to get him, right?‘	>	Andrea Botez w/ Alex Botez	2022 Mogul Chessboxing Loser. The ref may have screwed up, but Andrea stalled in not moving for 18 seconds. Lol. Sides w/ Magnus over Hans, last I checked. But well thanks Alex for replying to me on twitch about, coincidentally, chessboxing & thanks papabotez for replying to me on reddit.
2022 Mogul Chessboxing ( mid 2022Dec )	Aman Hambleton	1st round KO? LOL. What’s the point if 1 person is better in both chess & boxing? Praised Wesley So (Aman’s lucky charm) in the 2022 CGC that Wesley So won after those 3 losses re Carissa Yip	>	Lawrence Trent	1st round KO? LOL. What’s the point if 1 person is better in both chess & boxing? Wasted time learning how to do bishop & knight mate in 10sec consistently vs Fabi. I heard Lawrence is Team Hans over Team Magnus (see below)
2022 women’s blitz WCC ( late 2022Dec )	Janelle Frayna	Top 22 in 2022 women’s blitz WCC, largely from upsetting Bella Patriot in supporting adamantly supporting compatriot Wesley So over Tigran L Petrosian (Janelle replied to me on stream! on stream!) and said so in a way that indirectly supports Hans (Wesley is 100% sure while Magnus isn’t) & all of Magnus’ cheating victims. Fun fact – Both Janelle & Wesley So peaked in 2017Feb.	>	Bella Khotenashvili	Top 32 in 2022 women’s blitz WCC, partly from upset by Janelle – traitor to Jewish/Soviet women for choosing as favourite world champion not Wesley So or Bobby Fischer but Magnus Carlsen who cheated Jewish Soviet woman Alexandra Kosteniuk
Formerly Iranian federation yet Iran-heroic no-hijab protesters in 2022 women’s blitz WCC ( late 2022Dec ) — (Or alternatively…)	Sarasadat Khademalsharieh (Sara Khadem) — (Or alternatively…)	IM top 19 in 2022 women’s blitz WCC, runner-up 2018 women’s blitz & rapid WCCs Btw, there’s a chessbase interview where Sara speaks out in support of Alireza’s federation change. Did Atousa explicitly support Alireza? — (Or alternatively…)	>	Atousa Pourkashiyan-Nakamura	WGM top 74 in 2022 women’s blitz WCC, partly from kinda-upset by Janelle Frayna (Atousa was 50pts higher in classical, both then & in their peak, but Janelle gained 200+ rating in blitz by mid 2022 and so was about 50pts higher than Atousa in blitz) Became American yet married cheater & US traitor Hikaru and thus is also a US traitor even if an Iranian hero – (cf Sergey considers Garry a Russian traitor in politics; Garry’s a Jewish traitor in chess for cheating Judit & Alexei Shirov. So from the anti-Putin POV, Garry can be a Russian hero but a Jewish traitor. Similarly, Atousa can be an Iranian hero but an American traitor.) – but at least Atousa waited until the dismissal to marry Hikaru LOL!!!!
Romantic partners of classical / rapid WFRCC’s ( 2023Jul ) Btw as of 2023Oct07 they never played each other on chessc*m or OTB or anything according to recorded games on chessgames.com but well we’ll see now in the 2023 women’s USCC… – Update : Wow. That was close. Doesn’t feel like a game worth a gloating about.	Carissa Yip	IM Taking relationship slow to not hinder studies at Stanford Foreshadowed relationship with twitter header of picture from 2022 Olympiad when they get together Insane near 1 decade age gap w/ Wesley So, who escaped corrupt home country and treasonous bio family abandonment Carissa considers ‘100% American‘ (2022Aug04) cf Elon Musk 2023Sep30 even though Wesley So was called ‘fake egoistic American‘ in 2018 & a ‘traitor (…) who doesn’t even want to play under his real nation’s flag in 2023. Carissa doesn’t list Magnus in favourite players. Mwahahahaha. Had a winning chance in AN ENDGAME vs talentless patzer & the supposedly greatest endgame player of all time Magnus Carlsen in the 2023 chessc*m PRO Chess League Name is 1 letter away from Caissa, and both ‘Yip’ & ‘So’ are punny names.	>	Atousa Pourkashiyan-Nakamura	WGM Put off starting marriage because of lawsuit LOL Who knew Atousa before marriage? ( Then again Atousa switched to the US only in 2022Dec. Who knew Wesley So before switching to the US? ) We had no idea Hikaru was even dating Atousa, who ditched anti-Semitic home country only to marry a minion of an anti-Semitic anti-American Quisling overlord. Boring. They could be star-crossed lovers in politics since Iran & the US are enemies since Israel & US are allies, but in chess they’re on the same (evil) side. Again, lost to Janelle. Hiro Nakamura is related to them now?
2023 Tata Steel ( 2023Jan )	Nodirbek Abdusattorov	2023Sep Update : Defends Hans vs Vlad Kramnik. Cool this was even after I put Nodirbek on the list. Top 2 Tata Steel 2021 rapid WCC Beat Wesley So (albeit in rapid chess960) in 2022 (rapid) WFRCC	>	Vincent Keymer	Baselessly blacklisted a fellow teenage prodigy out of nationalism in serving European Quisling overlord Magnus. ( I assume Vincent is a gentile. Otherwise e’s a traitor, and the 2 distant relatives Emanuel Lasker & Edward Lasker, both of whom are Jewish German, should be even more ashamed! ) Also re the term ‘Quisling’, funny how this is inverted : This time it’s the German who’s a traitor in serving the Norwegian overlord. Lol. ( Update 2023Aug – Even got a pre-arranged win as a gift from Magnus. ) Bottom 2 Tata Steel Fine 2022 rapid WCC runner-up to Magnus, but where was this guy in the 2021 rapid WCC? ok by black wins tiebreaker Vincent beat Nodirbek in Accentus Chess960 in Biel, but well that was rapid. 2022 (rapid) WFRCC – While peaking 2700 in 2022Oct, was knocked out indirectly by weaker compatriot Matthias Blübaum via David Navara
2013 USCC finalists ( the only armageddon over 30min in history? Or at least in the last decade? ) ( Btw both achieved their FIDE peak classical ratings in 2013. This means Gata peaked at age 39yo ! ) re 2023Feb exposure of Alejandro’s crimes	Gata Kamsky	How did Alejandro Ramirez tie w/ the 1996 FIDE classical WCC runner-up? Well it was almost 2 decades prior… But anyhoo thank God Gata beat Alejandro.		Alejandro Ramirez / Ramírez	– Says Hans most likely cheated OTB but there’s not enough evidence – Yeah right! More like had a feeling h criminal acts would be exposed soon and so lied to get protection from Magnus. Deal w/ the devil and all that. Traitor to the US, criminal and defamer. Note : Yes, I say below I make deals w/ the devil like the w/ pro-Putin & pro-Iran peeps but at least those people are not evil in chess.
Iranian-descent in 2023 Norway Chess ( 2023Jun )	Alireza Firouzja	Not last place in 2023 Norway Chess Bravely called out Magnus for cheating in 2019 blitz WCC. Praised Hans in 2022 Sinquefield Cup ‘Good shape‘ Record for youngest to reach 2800. Found the space left behind vs Richárd Rapport in 2022 Candidates.	>	Aryan Tari	Last place in 2023 Norway Chess even though e’s Norwegian. Helped Magnus cheat Danya Naroditsky in lichess in 2020May & said (fine – allegedly said) ‘Cheater Hans’. Hence, Aryan’s not just a Norwegian nationalist but an Iranian traitor – at least in chess – since Magnus had cheated Alireza in 2019 blitz WCC Last peaked 2672 in 2022Jul.
2023 women’s WCC finalists ( 2023Jul ) ( Or alternatively… ) — 2023Jul female players with notably punny names	Tingjie Lei (Or alternatively…) — Nazí Paikidze	Chess idol list rules – Vishy Anand & Vlad Kramnik – 2 good guys & 0 bad guys Won all 3 stages of 2023 women’s candidates w/o reaching tiebreaks, including indirectly (since women’s candidates is knockout not round robin) beating Aleksandra Goryachkina, who drew w/ Wenjun last time. (Or alternatively…) — Name sounds like ‘Nazi’ – Bobby Fischer’s favourite female player is Jewish American like Bobby. (Bobby Fischer’s favourite player is Wesley So, American like Bobby & Philippine-born like Bobby’s best friend Eugene Torre.) Oh also both Nazí & Wesley So – changed federations in 2014. – were born in 1993Oct.	>	Wenjun Ju	Chess idol list is stupid nationalism – just Liren Ding – 1 bad guy & 0 good guys Ok fine, Wenjun did beat Aleksandra Goryachkina in 2020 & Kateryna Lagno both in terms of black wins but they were still drawn while Tingjie just won out right. And well I could just be salty / sore, but technically Tingjie did have pressure to play for a win in classical because of rapid tiebreaks. (Or alternatively…) — Name sounds like ‘Jew Engine’ – Bobby Fischer’s least favourite female player is gentile non-American.
Wesley So’s family as of 2023Aug	Adoptive family – Bambi Kabigting – Lotis Key – Abbey Key	Patriotic Philippine / Americans. Afaik, they are all current / former citizens of both countries. Lotis Key = Alma Wheatley = Regina Fischer (maybe Regina was a combination of Lotis Key & Leny So. Lol) – Also my mom has heard of Lotis Key, who was indeed like an actress during my mom’s time. During the 2023 World Cup, Abbey went to North Carolina (from Minnesota?) to pick up new kittens for the family. (Might be related to Carissa Yip i.e. Abbey is a wingsib?)	>	Bio family – William So – Eleanor ‘Leny’ So – onee-san Wendelle Barbossa So – imouto Wilma Barbossa So	Treasonous Philippine like Prospero Pichay Jr. Also, ‘Chinese Philippine’ families are about as … well ok fine more ‘Chinese’ than ‘African American’ families, but idk can I say ‘fake egoistic‘ ? Lol. – Also my mom has heard of Lotis Key, who was indeed like an actress during my mom’s time. Leny So calls Wesley So ‘putang ina mo‘ (son of a bitch). – Wesley So response : ‘kinda funny that’
Main characters of major chess movies /series of last 3 decades that are based on a book/s ( 2023Aug )	Beth Harmon from The Queen’s Gambit	Is a prodigy, had a rather dark childhood and is American like compatriots Wesley So, Bobby Fischer & Hans Niemann.	>	Josh Waitzkin, from 3rd decade anniversary movie ‘Innocent Moves’ illegally also known as ‘Searching for Bobby Fischer’	Why Josh & Fred did you exploit Bobby Fischer’s name for money? Also Max Pomeranc was a Jewish American chess player sooo…? Or idk is it legal to just say someone’s name in a title of a book / movie?
Re poker & chess ( 2022Sep re Robbi Jade Lew & Garrett Adelstein and then 1 year later 2023Sep )	Robbi Jade Lew	2022Sep – Beat Garrett Adelstein fairly. 2022Oct – Passed a polygraph. Hans never even took a polygraph. 2022 / 2023 – Followed me on twitter and is like Shigeru Akagi in the anime. Indirectly supported Hans. 2023Sep – Wished Garrett ‘Happy Anniversary 🥳’.	>	Nemo Zhou	2016 – Bought a WGM norm supposedly. And even if not, who did Nemo ever beat in poker, chess or choker / chessino ? 2022Oct – Traitor in siding w/ Garrett over fellow North American woman. Or idk. Nemo also gave a chess analogy. But I believe it’s at least 100% more likely it’s racism in chess than it is sexism in poker. (0.2% is 100% more than 0.1%. Mwahahaha.) 2022Dec – Faked a giveaway, won by Nemo’s romantic partner. 2023 – Blocked me on twitter and now I can’t think of Finding Nemo the same way. 2023Sep – 1 year after Hans vs Magnus started, Nemo & Alex Botez were arguing w/ Hans on twitter about a supposed economic incentive problem where Nemo & Alex gain more money if their viewers sign up for poker & then lose money.
2022Dec – British peeps who played, and Andrew Tate won. 2023Oct – Piers interviewed Hans.	Andrew Tate	1700-1899 or something & son of Emory Tate. Has so much respect for chess & Emory. I don’t really know much about Andrew actually. People say Andrew’s so bad and stuff … AT LEAST OUTSIDE CHESS. As of 2023Nov, what I know of Andrew is mainly through Andrew’s chess, and e seems pretty cool. So Andrew could be good in chess but evil outside chess, same as many people in the ‘Axis of Evil’ list. Lol.	>	Piers Morgan	Prep school champion at 12yo. Apparently cheated on ‘Celebrity Apprentice’ by listening through walls, kinda like how Garry Kasparov cheated MSN in the 1999 Garry Kasparov vs the world game. This makes Piers a hypocrite. Lol. ‘You seem to love anal beads better ( than chess )’ – patriotic Jewish American Terry Oved. ‘Piers Morgan is a human slug, as slimey at they get,’ – cattycats4 ( from the Magnus cheated Anish thing in 2023 Superbet Blitz thing ) to me on 2023Nov27
2023Nov – US Republican presidents that I’ve been learning about in 2023 because of nephew Wesley So & uncle Bobby Fischer. Actually the 2 most recent US Republican presidents as of 2023Nov.	Donald Trump	I’m told Wesley So likes Donald Trump. You can see Wesley’s twitter likes, I guess. Lol. 2024Feb25 Update: Ok fine my mom told me that in chess / sports donald trump , like george bush jr & sr , has done something evil – namely said ‘ miss piggy ’ to a beauty pageant winner ( my mom follows beauty pageants & tennis; I follow chess & 9LX ) whom I guess i Alicia Machado. i asked my mom yeah well who did george jr ever invade ? my mom says what e liked about donald over george jr is apparently lower interventionism or something. lol. But the point is ok donald was a little sexist ( my mom : ‘very sexist’ ) but bush jr arrested bobby which is a million times worse. 2024Feb23 Update : Lol Joe Biden restored long standing US policy Israeli settlements after it kinda shifted w/ Trump in 2019Nov – the same month Wesley beat ‘completely obliterated‘ that talentless patzer Magnus LOL.	>	George Bush Jr	Bobby Fischer hated George Bush, who I find is a lot like Magnus. George Jr later arrested Bobby based on George Sr’s stupid indictment. And then Junichiro Koizumi helped George Jr just as Hikaru Nakamura helped Magnus Carlsen – Eg This. – And that.
2023Dec – relatives of people here already. Lol. But related to 2023 rapid / blitz WCC. Now my list has the 3 most recent US Republican presidents as of 2023Dec ( and I guess up to 2024Oct )	Tristan Tate	Tristan defended Anna-Maja Kazarian in the 2023 women’s rapid / blitz WCC.	>	George Bush Sr	George Sr indicted Bobby in the 1st place. Ridiculous.
2024Feb – I made parodies re Israeli prime ministers	Benjamin ‘Bibi’ Netanyahu	Bibi defended both Alireza & Hans from Magnus. Lol. – 2024Feb26 Btw I saw this 2024Feb23 clip Bibi Netanyahu wants Trump #shorts #trump #israel – video ID gVBojTEhRus where Mehdi Hasan talks about Bibi’s relationship w/ the 3 most recent US Democrat presidents as of 2024Feb – Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Joe Biden	>	Ariel Sharon	Bobby hated Ariel and never said anything about Bibi directly afaik ( I also checked the transcripts ). Lol.

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Part4 – Some memes ( 2023Jul ) – Team Hans Niemann sides w/ pro-Putin / pro-Russia or pro-Iran in chess but not necessarily in politics ? Lol

• from Chess superGM marries Iranian-American WGM Atousa Pourkashiyan who in 2022Dec, like Iranian-Spanish IM Sara Khadem – post ID 15aox61 – date 2023Jul27 – in r/ProIran (I guess this subreddit is like r/russia but for some reason r/ProIran isn’t quarantined. Idk. Btw I’m assuming for 2022-2023, as in 2005, that Russia, Iran, etc are part of the ‘axis of evil’ and then Ukraine, US, Israel are part of the ‘allies of evil’.)

1 – I commented

Full title is supposed to be:

Chess – American superGM Hikaru Nakamura marries Iranian-American WGM Atousa Pourkashiyan who in 2022Dec, like Iranian-Spanish IM Sara Khadem, changed federations & competed in 2022 blitz & rapid world championships in Kazakhstan w/o hijab.

Anyway sooo…is Atousa Pourkashiyan a traitor if and only Sara Khadem is a traitor if and only if Alireza Firouzja is a traitor?

Note the ‘if and only if’. I don’t have any particular side here, but I’ll be surprised eg if someone says Alireza Firouzja is a traitor while Sara Khadem isn’t (or vice-versa).

2 – Then my conversation with moderator SentientSeaweed :

• SentientSeaweed has explained to me some stuff re why some Iranians think Alireza is a traitor. I was surprised because I thought Alireza was like Wesley So but oh ok Alireza is actually more like those Russian players who leave re the 2022 Russia-Ukraine war/invasion/conflict.
• Atul Kumar told me in explaining why Alireza is not (necessarily) a traitor.
  • ‘In short, wesley ditched his country for money and Hans is a cheater. Anyone who is ditching his country for money is a traitor. If he/she is not doing it for money then there might be other reasons like righteousness, values etc . This has been seeing in Russian players. They are ditching their county on the basis of moral grounds bcoz Russia wants war.’
• I also asked around like r/proiran & r/newiran about why Alireza is or isn’t a traitor.
• Chess – 19yo French-Iranian supergrandmaster Alireza Firouzja is the winner of the (controversial) 2022 Grand Chess Tour ( date 2022Sep12 – post ID xbw4kx )
• Chess – Why is/isn’t Alireza Firouzja a traitor? What was the propaganda exactly? ( date 2023Jul02 – post ID 14oiybp )
  • dissentrix told me ‘There’s nothing complex here – it’s literally as simple as “why do Russians try and leave Russia when Putin does dictatorial things?” Because it’s unpleasant to live there.’
  • SentientSeaweed told me Alireza’s case is like Saeid Mollaei’s in judo.
• Right…so I surmise it’s like how pro-Putin Russians consider Garry Kasparov & Alexandra Kosteniuk as Russian traitors … in politics of course. And while I don’t necessarily view either of them as Russian traitors I definitely consider Garry a Jewish traitor in chess for cheating Judit Polgar.

SentientSeaweed

I just hope that Iran didn’t spend money on any of these people. What they do on their own dime is their business.

me

Lol thanks for commenting SentientSeaweed! Btw any opinion for Hans’ lawsuit against Hikaru?

Like ‘pro-Iran’ people consider Alireza, Atousa, Kimia, Saeid, Sara, et al traitors to Iran. We ‘pro-Hans’ over ‘pro-Magnus’ people consider Hikaru a traitor to the US. So Atousa from the ‘anti-Iran’ but ‘pro-Hans’ side is an Iranian hero but a US traitor and for completely different reasons? Lol!!!

P.S. I was the guy who posted the beads thing that Elon Musk tweeted. I didn’t create the theory I just shared it.

SentientSeaweed

I don’t have an opinion about it because I don’t follow professional chess.

I’m surprised that we don’t see more about chess on this sub, given how popular it is in Iran.

me

I can’t speak for this sub but

chess on this sub, given how popular it is in Iran.

I’m pretty much the only one who talks about chess in various country subreddits like russia ukraine philippines etc and even other subreddits like twoxchromosomes etc. I guess people just stick to their chess talk in r/chess & other chess subs because otherwise they’d have to explain stuff to a general audience.

&

Wait SentientSeaweed is there meme in this sub? Or is there another sub for pro-Iran memes? I would post this generic Iran memes but anti-Iran people might view this negatively? Idk. Of course I’m neutral to the Iran thing, but I definitely am pro-Hans anti-Magnus (largely out of my bias for Wesley So but still)

Edit: Or this

SentientSeaweed

Memes are fine now and then. Iraniancirclejerk is the affiliated memes sub.

That being said, no one here seems to have any strong feelings against these people, so the meme doesn’t make reflect the reality of the sub.

me

Oh ok thanks anyway but wait

1. is Atousa seen as a traitor?
2. or Atousa is a traitor if and only if Sara Khadem is a traitor?
3. Is Sara Khadem a traitor if and only if Alireza Firouzja is a traitor? Idk.

Well I think (1) & (2) are kind of a separate thing from (3). (3) is about whether or not there’s an implicit athlete ban, and then (1) & (2) is about Mahsa Amini I guess…

4. You said

I just hope that Iran didn’t spend money on any of these people. What they do on their own dime is their business.

Meaning you’re against Atousa & Sara right?

And then no reply but anyhoo the point is just as I side w/ pro-Putin people for the sake of putting Magnus Carlsen down to put Wesley So, Bobby Fischer & 9LX up, so do I side w/ pro-Iran people for the same sake. Deals w/ the devil and all that. Lol. But

1 – hey for real they may be evil in politics, but they’re not evil in chess. Those traitors/nationalists (in chess) Alejandro Ramirez, Daniil Dubov, Hikaru Nakamura, Vincent Keymer, Wenjun Ju et al make deals (in chess) w/ Magnus, who is indeed evil (in chess).

2 – There’s not really much need to make deals w/ the devils because anti-Russian / anti-Putin Russians should hate Magnus since Magnus cheated Anish Giri & Ian Nepomniachtchi, Alexandra Kosteniuk and anti-Iranian / anti-[ Who’s the Iranian leader? ] Iranians should hate Magnus since Magnus cheated Alireza.

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