I theorise that in the term ‘freestyle’ comes / is derived from the original term ‘Fischer random’.
The ‘FR’ in ‘freestyle’ stands for Fischer Random.
The ‘ee’ in ‘freestyle’ comes from the homophonous / heterographic suffix -y.
Theory 2 :
Or it’s just a happy coincidence.,
Theory 3 :
Or like semi-derived & semi-coincidence since both ‘free’ & ‘Fischer Random’ does have the letters F, R & E and also 9LX is freeing the world from chess opening theory. And well 9LX was both created by an American and announced on the same day as the end of slavery in the US.
Had this idea about maybe early 2023, probably around the same time as 2023 classical WCC. It’s unlikely someone hasn’t thought of it, but I’m not sure what terms to look up to find out if someone bothered to write up this folklore.
Black has draw odds and thus has a ( huge ) advantage and thus has lower time.
This eliminates BOTH white advantage & draws. Specifically : Armageddon eliminates draws by giving black draw odds and then the draw odds eliminates white advantage because chess favours draws more than white ( or black ).
In armageddon : Since draw odds make black more favoured, black has lower time. The amount of time can be stupidly pre-determined, or both players have an auction ( usually blind ) where the lower bid for how much time they’re willing to have ( i.e. the higher time for how much they’re willing to give up ) gets black ( unless the winning bid is insane enough to choose white … at least in chess1 ).
You play the same game except white just has lower time.
This eliminates just white advantage.
In semi-armageddon : There are no draw odds. Since white is more favoured, white has lower time. The amount of time can be stupidly pre-determined, or both players have an auction where the lower bid gets white.
Part3 – Notes :
I believe semi-armageddon is better than pie rule ( or cake rule ) for balancing chess w/o getting rid of draws.
1.1 – I don’t believe pie rule works at all for 9LX.
2.1 – Normally, it’s not that players are randomly assigned colours for each round but that players do get a near even amount of games of white & black. But still, it’s necessarily uneven for round robins of an even number of players. And even ( lol ) in an odd round robin, any single player might’ve done better if not for luck of the draw. This also has implications for head-to-head score. In chessgames.com, they don’t count colour in summary statistics of head-to-head between 2 players. This wouldn’t matter if games were played in pairs like in knockouts or double round robins, but tournaments are often single round robin or single swiss!
2.2 – A double round robin or double swiss where each pair of players gets to alternate colours, like in the candidates ( eg 2022, 1962 ), would be fair. (Also, quadruple, sextuple, n-tuple for any even natural number n.)
2.2.1 – I’ve never heard of double swiss. Like, what, you play new opponent and then the next day you play them again but reversed colours? I think then semi-armageddon swiss makes more sense than double swiss. I think of 1st rounds of a swiss where you lose so badly that you know Gasai you’re going to lose the next day even if you were black today s.t. you’re white tomorrow. Or maybe hybrid : 1st rounds of swiss could be semi-armageddon. ( But if you’re going to do this for 1st round, then why not for all the rounds? )
Another way is of course semi-armageddon to eliminate the concept of white vs black. Like baseball but it doesn’t matter which if you’re batting or fielding. Csgo / cs2 / cs / Counterstrike or valorant but it doesn’t matter if you’re CT or terrorist. Tennis but it doesn’t matter if you serve or not. But in these cases what they bid is probably points or cards drawn rather than time similar to go / baduk‘s komi, w/c I understand is more like if chess used pie rule. ( So ‘pie rule’ makes sense in all those games but not chess! )
You can have an odd number of games in matches. Such matches can be won by a point without having a 0.5 or 1/2 in the score. Eg the 2010 classical WCC could’ve been 6-5 instead of 6.5-5.5 by having 11 games instead of 12 games. ( But well, you could win by a point by pairing games into mini-matches and then counting points by winning mini-matches. )
In the 2022 Candidates ( 2022Jun16 – 2022Jul05 ), agad posted this video ‘”Space Left Behind” || Firouzja vs Rapport || FIDE Candidates (2022) R9’ – video ID 2K5Yc41E39Q – date 2022Jun28
You can see the game here : lichess or chessc*m. Specifically, agad talks about ‘space left behind’ in the ff position :
Part2 – I looked up ‘space left behind’
I looked up ‘space left behind’ in copyright-violating uploads errr pirated uploads i mean playthroughs of Josh Waitzkin’s chessmaster ( I mean there’s not much to playthrough. I’d argue it’s like uploading a ‘playthrough’ of When They Cry – Umineko No Naku Koro Ni aka When The Seagulls Cry, where, unlike Higurashi & VNs in general, there’s only 1 choice in the entire series ) and found this :
Ayrton Twigg uploaded this video a day before agad uploaded the above video! From comments :
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Who’s here from the 2022 candidates re agadmator’s video “Space Left Behind” || Firouzja vs Rapport || FIDE Candidates (2022) R9 ?
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Interesting coincidence. Funnily, though, my upload comes before his.
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oh yeah didn’t notice. very nice. XD
Part3 – Josh talks about this game
Yochanan Afek vs Waitzkin Joshua in 1997 – chessc*m – lichess – specifically the ff position :
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Part4 – 2023Oct – Levy publishes book
Levy Rozman aka GothamChess aka Gotham Chess publishes ‘How to Win at Chess: The Ultimate Guide for Beginners and Beyond’ and it instantly becomes a best seller. Suuure. Buncha people who really wanna improve and really think the book is good made it a best seller. It’s not just because Levy’s popular right? 😐 I mean, what can one really get from this book that you can’t get from Josh Waitzkin’s chessmaster series, w/c is freely available on youtube? Lol, who wants to bet any of those people who bought Levy’s book are actually gonna read it cover to cover (or at least starting at their level until the end) ?
Oh also Alireza is on the good guys list while Richárd Rapport is on the bad guys list. (But they don’t correspond. Alireza corresponds to Aryan Tari. Richárd corresponds to Jan Duda.)
‘9LX creator Bobby Fischer speaks Japanese: ‘Chotto matte.’ (2005Mar25)’ – upload date 2023Nov14 – video ID 07ctnXbX93I
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Apparently, you learn Japanese more from anime than going back & forth from Japan, being married for about a year to a Japanese and were imprisoned / arrested / kidnapped in Japan at least twice ( 1st was the 1 mentioned on 2001Sep11; 2nd is the 1 Bobby was recently released from ).
Quote :
I was coming in and out of Japan for 5 years, and I hardly learned any Japanese. (…) I knew, you know Gasai, ‘chotto matte’ and stuff like that. That’s it.
And I guess Mischling Test is anti-semitic, but as I say in the 2023Aug Updates above, I can use Mischling Test for non-(anti-semitic) reasons. It’s not that ‘These people count as Jews, so I can discriminate against them too’ but that ‘These people count as Jews, so I can say they too are being discriminated against for being Jewish.’
Part2 – Soviets Jewish?
On 2022Dec15, just the day before Amin forfeited, I was told most current top Russian players are Jewish and that Fabi is Jewish by sheparoni_spotify, an anti-semitic person, who also told me Magnus Carlsen is anti-Semitic.
Anyway if those are wrong, then just assume that by ‘Jew’ I mean players who are … ‘Players who are Israeli, or from countries of former Soviet Union’ and others players whom I’m told are Jewish eg MVL & Fabi and players
who are Israeli in ethnicity / descent / race, nationality or birth
who are [‘Country X’ demonym] in ethnicity / descent / race, nationality or birth, where ‘Country X’ is any country / state of the former Soviet Union, including Uzbekistan / Kazakhstan even though their religion, according to Wikipedia, is, resp 96.1% / 70.3% Islam.
This means :
Russia : Dina Belenkaya (nose? But come on Russian-born Israeli?), Mikhail Botvinnik (actually is), David Bronstein (actually is), Maxim Dlugy, Daniil Dubov (nose?), Anish Giri (probably mom; spouse of Sopiko Guramishvili – also noses? – and their children Daniel ‘Danny’ & 2 others), Olga Girya, Alexander Grischuk x Kateryna Lagno (noses? ; also spouses.), Aleksandra Goryachkina, Sergey Karjakin (nose? ; 2nd spouse Galiya Kamalova), Anatoly Karpov, Garry Kasparov (duh; also nose?), Alexander Khalifman (actually is), Viktor Korchnoi (actually is), Nadezhda & Tatiana Kosintseva (noses?), Alexandra Kosteniuk (nose?), Vladimir ‘Vlad’ Kramnik (nose? or not?), Vera Menchik, Ian ‘Nepo’ Nepomniachtchi (actually is), Nazí Paikidze (ironic of course; nose? But come on Russian-born Georgian & American? Also look at American spouse Greg Barnes – noses?), Levy ‘Gotham Chess’ Rozman (actually is), Vasily Smyslov ( also see this ), Boris Spassky ( nose? or not? ; also see this ), Elena Tairova ( RIP )
Latvia : Daniel Fridman (actually is; might be a relative of Jewish American Lex Fridman), Alexei Shirov, Mikhail Tal (actually is)
Ukraine : Svitlana Demchenko (top 24 in the 2023 girls juniors classical WCC; future medical doctor kinda like Bassem Amin), Olga Dolzhykova ( sibling of 1st spouse of Sergey is Norwegian LOL ) x 2nd spouse. Efim Geller, Sergey Karjakin (listed again; nose?) x 1st spouse Kateryna Dolzhykova, Irina Krush (actually is; also nose?), Anna & Mariya Muzychuk, Daniel ‘Danya’ Naroditsky (listed again; actually is), Anna Ushenina (actually is; also nose?), Anna Zatonskih (spouse is Jewish Daniel Fridman; 2008 USCC – this article URL says ‘jewish women’; also nose?), Natalia Zhukova
whom I’m credibly told are Jewish in ethnicity eg I find sheparoni_spotify credible because as YOJIMBO_KING told me on 2023Feb04 ‘A racist can always spot another racist’ … of course that’s referring Magnus’ supposed racism and not whether Fabi, MVL, et al are really Jewish.
sheparoni_spotify told me :
Levon Aronian (listed again; actually is)
Fabiano ‘Fabi’ Caruana
Daniil Dubov (listed again)
Benjamin ‘Ben’ Finegold (nose?)
1st spouse : Gina Lynne LoSasso aka Gina Linn
2nd spouse of 1st spouse : Christopher Langan (I guess unless Ben & Gina annulled instead of divorced.
But I think YOJIMBO_KING is right or at least that sheparoni_spotify is making a statement against interest : If Magnus is cheating, baselessly accusing or doing other evil things to certain players, then why would an anti-Semitic person reveal that they are actually Jews?
Or well maybe it cuts both ways : I could say ‘Oh look Magnus hates Jews’ instead of ‘Magnus hates French’. An anti-Semitic person could say ‘They deserve it’ eg ‘MVL deserved to have been vicariously cheated through Alireza by Magnus.’
Part4 – Gentiles
I’m guessing the 2 Bulgarians Antoaneta Stefanova & Veselin Topalov are gentiles.
When he was five, his chess talent was discovered in an after-school chess program at Congregation Beth Elohim, a reform Jewish congregation in Park Slope. That year he played his first tournament at the Polgar Chess Center in Queens, New York City.
The Polgar’s are Jewish. Fabi went to a Jewish congregation and then played in a Jewish chess centre. Come on.
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Part6.2.1 – 2023Dec08 9:10pm GMT+8 – Catholic Italian American tells me about Fabi.
For some reason people think Caruana is Jewish because he grew up playing chess at Beth Elohim. Thing is, a lot of us Italian Americans lived in places like Park Slope and Borough Park Brooklyn — and I played chess at the same Jewish congregation that Fabi did – it was the only place around to learn the game, and I grew up Catholic. They let anyone in.
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Part6.3 – I asked a French anime fan
I asked a French anime fan who watches The Quintessential Quintuplets & Kaguya-sama if e has any idea if MVL is Jewish. Then I proceeded to ask about others. The fan was known as Shinaii 🌊 (@Shinaii_) but is as of 2023Nov16 known as Mu’izz 🌊 (@10yearsjoint). [Could be the same Shinaii_ from myanimelist.] E is 100% sure MVL is Jewish. Shinaii_’s opinion is unbiased because Shinaii_ said Alireza is gentile, even though it would serve my nefarious righteous purposes if Alireza were Jewish.
1 – I asked Shinaii_ ‘Another s’il vous plaît – Alireza Firouzja – jewish? Or not? Probably not because Alireza is iranian-born and probably Muslim but idk e speaks French sooo…’ ( 2023Jun21 9:31 PM )
Well I’m hoping Vincent is gentile, so that Vincent-Magnus can be the new Quisling-Hitler, but this time the Norwegian is the führer while the German is the subservient. Lol. I guess Magnus likes Hitler more than Bobby did.
Part6.3.5 – Nijat Abasov – I think Jewish or Gentile, whichever suits my purposes. Mwahahahaha.
I’m hoping gentile for the same reason as Parham, Pranav & Sébastien.
1 – I asked Shinaii_
‘Jew or gentile please?’ ( 2023Aug28 1:10 PM )
Response
‘Gentil / Il a pas une tête de juif’ – ‘Gentile / He doesn’t look like a Jew'( 2023Aug28 1:10 PM )
Ah whatever. I’ll call Nijat Jewish or Gentile, depending on whatever suits my needs. Mwahahahaha.
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Part6.4 – Sopiko Guramishvili x Anish Giri – I think Jewish
1 – For Anish – Ok I was told ‘Giri’ is a Hindu / an Indian surname. I’ll concede Anish’s dad’s side is gentile. But then Anish is Russian on h mom’s side and Anish’s Russian side is really my basis, so that’s not really a counter-argument. Actually, if Anish’s mom is Jewish, then Anish’s dad is Jewish ( assuming they’re married ). ( Actually, ‘giri‘ is a Japanese word too as in ‘giri choco‘, as I learned from Kaguya-sama s3 opening re ‘Anish Giri speaks his Heart out to people mocking him for making Draws’. )
1 Are you the same guy who told me before that Giri is a Hindu surname?
2 So what if Anish is gentile on dad’s side – Anish can just be Jewish on mom’s side?
anubratakarmakar4083 :
1 Yes 2 That can be true though
1.2 – Ah yes I found it. I remember someone told me something like that in a 2023 tournament, so I thought back to Tata Steel, Norway Chess, etc. So yeah it’s 2023 Norway Chess.
‘What Is Anish Tweeting?’ – date upload 2023Jun09 – video ID SBBw5FdHzSE
Anish is technically Nepali , it’s a Hindu name , He ain’t a Jewish
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But Anish is Russian born and has a Russian mom?
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His father Santosh Kumar Giri is Nepali , Dont know about his mother / Names do not necessarily directly denote religion or ethnicity but it may hint
1.2.1 – Actually, there was someone else – Curious banda aka curious_banda … Yeah actually curious_banda is the person I was thinking of :
Transcript :
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Anish isn’t a Jewish name, it’s a Hindu name, though he must be an atheist.
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I was told in 2022Dec top Russian players are Jewish. Anish is technically russian-born. Also Eugene Torre said on 1999Jan14 interview w/ Bobby Fischer & Pablo Mercado that most Russian players were Jewish – at least according to Bobby Fischer. Not sure if Eugene thinks / thought that too.
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I don’t care what you were said. Giri is an Indian Hindu surname.
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Part6.5 – Nodirbek Abdusattorov – I think Jewish
1 – Iirc : Someone told me in, I think early 2023 probably during Tata Steel & in agadmator’s channel something like ‘Nodirbek is Uzbek and so is Muslim.’ I responded ‘Could be Jewish in ethnicity.’ Then that person responded ‘Well, I did see some Jews in [some city in Uzbekistan] the other day, so maybe you’re right. 😂’ But ok this was probably just ‘fanservice’ or something like when Sergey told me ‘Wesley is a hero.‘ Lol.
Well, I was revisiting some of the old anime and manga I liked back in middle school and high school, two of them being Bakuman and The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. Having those two fresh in my mind, I saw some similarities between the scandal of Aya Hirano, Haruhi’s seiyuu, and the scandal of Azuki Miho. And suddenly my mind started on this conspiration rush, so I started investigating and found some interesting coincidences that make a really good theory. I don’t wanna post this as a fact, it is all speculation, so I will simply enlist the facts, which will contain spoilers from the series, and leave it like what it is, a highly crazy but at the same time probable theory.
Similarities:
-The conflict of Bakuman’s final arc starts when an old classmate discovers the relationship between Mashiro and Miho
-The guy maliciously leaks this info to the public
-Fans get enraged and it becomes a scandal that an idol and seiyuu might not be “pure” and has a relationship
-Multiple characters say how wrong is this, how rumors can affect a career, and how, in
-In order to save face, the only way for Miho to regain trust to play the role in Reversi is to have a public audition
-Aya Hirano has an affair with multiple members of her band
-The affair leaks via photos in the web
-Fans get enraged, she gets a strike, band members get fired and her career goes downhill from there
From just this info, one can see some similarities, but without more data it may just seem like a thing in the idol industry, even if its a sad thing to happen. However, my next points prove there might be a slightly deeper connection
-The date of the scandal is August 2011
-As seen, in Bakuman, how the story will evolve is usually done some months before the actual investigation
-The chapter where the conflict starts was published in February 2012
-The previous famous work of Bakuman’s authors, as you may know, is Death Note
-Also as stated in Bakuman, is rare that the authors doesn’t involve themselves with the anime and the voice actors
-The voice actor of Death Note’s Misa Amane is Aya Hirano
-Thus it is highly possible that Aya Hirano and the authors of the manga knew each other, even if just in a professional way
-In Bakuman, Reversi is a direct reference to Death Note
-Misa Amane has the exact same role of lead female protagonist as the character Azuki wanted to play
-So, in a meta sense and in the context of the arc, if Reversi = Death Note, then Azuki Miho = Aya Hirano*
And… well, that’s it really. As I said, it is pure speculation, and it is not like I know the authors. However, I find quite interesting that just a couple of months later (well, half a year) of the real life scandal of someone with whom the authors worked (and if we try to get really speculative, befriended), the final arc of the series consisted of a serious critique of the seiyuu/idol industry with a central focus of a love scandal. Of course, it might just be a coincidence, but one can’t help speculating about these weird coincidences and wonder if there is something more about it
*Just wanted to say a little disclaimer, Im referring this equivalent only to that arc, I’m not implying a romantic affair from one of the authors and Aya-san XD
OP here because somehow a crazy theory I made with a friend during a night of fun came back out again.
Of course, in Miho’s case there is nothing that scandalous, or maybe there isn’t by western standards. You see, Idols and Seiyuus in Japan are highly revered as pure maidens because fans are crazy. They embody the ideals of thousands, and thus the idea that one of those idols, specially rising stars like Miho, could have a boyfriend, and thus taint that ideal of purity (NSFW ideas) is always a scandal. An idol can easily lose jobs because of that, their popularity always take big hits, etc, etc. So when Miho’s relationship gets out, and then she is revealed that the Manga author she is with has just autocasted her as the protagonist, there is the fear of her popularity, and in consequence the show’s she is starring popularity, will come crashing down
Has anyone noticed that the voice actor for Chika and Mina are the same? I’m watching Takagi right now and something felt super familiar about Mina’s character. Then I realized: “ooooh she sounds like Chika and has the same energy” and what do know, they have the same voice actor. Chika and Mina have the same kind of high energy, “air-head”, happy-go-lucky, kind of vibe. Their voice actor, Konomi Kohara has a real with conveying emotion (especially confusion and pouty-ness) with her voice. When I realized this I started thinking about other similarities between the two shows and thought I’d share a recommendation for fellow Kaguya-sama fans.
If you’ve finished Kaguya-Sama season 2 and you need more of the mind games and romantic tension, Takagi-san is definitely great for filling that void. It isn’t quite on the same level with the over the top mind games and it’s more laid back. Basically, imagine if Miyuki wasn’t as clever as Kaguya and Kaguya wasn’t concerned with making Miyuki confess directly but instead focused more on indirectly confirming his love through making him get flustered. This is essentially Teasing Master Takagi. The show is the regular 23-minutes, but it’s organized in shorter skits like Kaguya-sama or Tsurezure Children. Kaguya-sama is the best of these when it comes to how seamlessly the skits flow into one another but Teasing Master Takagi definitely has a more “wholesome aesthetic” and it’s definitely the kind of show that you can start and stop at anytime without losing too much.
There’s a link here in case you wanna get some idea of what the show is like. I hope anyone else who is missing Kaguya-sama can find some enjoyment from this show!
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Part2 – Related video :
[ENG SUB] Konomi Kohara tends to play DUMB characters!? | A Couple of Cuckoos Anime Voice Actors
video ID UFdIuRMbLbE – date 2022Jan18 – by Seiyuu Fansub | RK ANIME aka RKANIMEFanSub
Part1 – ATLA / TLOK – Lu Ten & Iroh are not (necessarily) war criminals.
For some reason re the 4th Nuremberg principle and re Just war theory, I had thought — well not really ‘thought’. I hadn’t given it much thought — rather I had assumed that everyone on the ‘bad guy‘ (cf what Bobby Fischer said) side of a war was automatically a war criminal. But then yeah actually not all wars necessarily have like a ‘bad guys‘ (cf my bad guys vs good guys in chess) side. Guess I never really gave it much thought. But eh as Terry Tao said Ask yourself dumb questions – and answer them! So yeah the 4th Nuremberg principle refers to if your superior orders you to commit war crimes. What I meant was ‘unjust war aggressor’.
At the beginning of the First World War, a group of theologians in Germany published a manifesto that sought to justify the actions of the German government. At the British government’s request, Randall Davidson, Archbishop of Canterbury, took the lead in collaborating with a large number of other religious leaders, including some with whom he had differed in the past, to write a rebuttal of the Germans’ contentions. Both German and British theologians based themselves on the just war theory, each group seeking to prove that it applied to the war waged by its own side.
– Sooo yeah…’war crime’ refers to ‘cheating’ when you’re already in a war eg mistreating prisoners of war, attacking civilians, etc.
– And also I guess nowadays no one (publicly) views themselves as aggressors even when they’re the ones who declare the war eg US/UK Vs Iraq or Russia Vs Ukraine … Like each side believes that they’re defending. Sooo yeah who’s the judge really ‘who’s the aggressor?’ ? Even for the fire nation… What if they instead didn’t commit any war crimes and just fought justly and stuff?
1.1C – From 2011 X-Men First Class
Professor X (Charles Xavier) : Erik, you said yourself, we’re the better men. This is the time to prove it. There are thousands of men on those ships. Good, honest, innocent men! They’re just following orders.
Magneto (Erik Lehnsherr aka Max Eisenhardt) : I’ve been at the mercy of men just following orders. Never again.
Yeah I guess Professor X doesn’t really emphasise the difference (at least in Professor X’s opinion) between ‘following orders’ in the Holocaust vs ‘following orders’ in (this particular instance of) killing mutants.
Simply put, an impermissible act becomes permissible when it is carried out under orders. It is possible for combatants, but not for leaders, to fight an unjust war justly. It is because McMahan rejects this paradoxical core doctrine of the war convention, as canonically expressed by Walzer, that McMahan’s work has become the focus for debate on this issue.
The Second Vatican Council stated, “Those who are pledged to the service of their country as members of its armed forces should regard themselves as agents of security and freedom on behalf of their people. As long as they fulfill this role properly, they are making a genuine contribution to the establishment of peace.” (Gaudium et Spes, No. 79) So no, a soldier does not necessarily need to confess his killing of other soldiers in combat. Provided that the war is just, this killing is not a sin as it is not the taking of an innocent human life; it is stopping an unjust aggressor for the sake of the common good.
But “merely” to kill one’s enemies in a just war is no sin, and there is no need for a soldier to repent or confess those actions.
1.1F – Luckily in my tweets
I don’t say (I think) that Lu Ten or Iroh is a war criminal. Lol. Try looking up my tweets for ‘Lu Ten’ or ‘war criminal’.
1.1G – ‘On Following Orders in an Unjust War’ by David Estlund Philosophy, Brown University
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Is a soldier morally obligated to obey ordinary (including lethal) commands, even when the war is unjust? I will argue that under the right conditions, the answer is “yes.”
1.1H – Actually I can’t seem to find
Idk maybe it actually wasn’t a Catholic site, but I can’t find this article I think I saw before that had the phrase ‘rank-and-file’ like ordinary soldiers are not only not (necessarily) war criminals but also not (necessarily) criminals just for fighting on the ‘bad guy’ side of a war.
1.1I – Actually, you can even be a war criminal but not a criminal based on what 9LX creator Bobby Fischer said re George Bush & Junichiro Koizumi. Lol.
In this vein, he suggested in an interview given on August 25, 2006, that not only Saddam Hussein should be tried, but also George W. Bush, because the US had begun the Iraq War without the UN Security Council‘s permission.[15] He also suggested that Bush should be tried in the International Criminal Court for “269 war crime charges” related to the Iraq War.[20][21]
1.2 – But idk fire nation did do war crime of air nomad genocide
while Iroh & Lu Ten are part of the royal family not just random soldiers. Should they have refused to fight until the air nomad civilians got justice? Well, there was propaganda against the air nomads sooo…eh myb there was no justice needed in their view…
1.3 – I did get ‘All-Seeing Upvote Award’ described as ‘A glowing commendation for all to see’ at least hehehe :
1.4 – captainfalconxiiii on 2022Jun10 in r/FireNation
LOL nice. In case you don’t get the joke captainfalconxiiii is pretending to be a Fire Nation soldier during ATLA s2. As part of this, I guess the air nomad genocide is being denied like how the Holocaust was denied eg by Bobby Fischer.
1.5 – BGBigMax ( the same person from Eating crow re Korrasami ) explains on 2022Jun09 in r/cartoons
This isn’t about tragedy or impact, it’s about sadness. It’s about when you watch this scene in a cartoon, what scene makes you feel sad. Seeing a 100 year old corpse is sad, and watching a man crying over his son while singing a lullabye is more sad. You can rationalize why any of these moments should be sad, but as the text presents them Leaves from the Vine is the more heart breaking scene.
This is way off topic but the saddest scene in the Harley Quinn movie is when her breakfast sandwich gets destroyed before she can eat it. It’s not about what is happening, but instead how it is presented.
1.6 – Testimony in r/ATLAverse
1.6A – Duelephant explains on 2022Jun09
We really have no reason to believe Lu Ten was a war criminal. There is a line between soldier in an colonizing was and soldiers in a colonizing was who committed war crimes. Am I saying Lu Ten isn’t a war criminal, no. Just that we don’t know if he was.
I think the biggest reason is the narrative writing of the scene. While the event itself might be more or less tragic the Leaves from the Vine scene happens a) later in the story when we have gotten to know the characters more, b) is given more time than Aang discovering about the air nomads, c) is intertwined with the stories of Iroh and Zuko who hold a lot of the emotional weight of the story. As such for many people that moment is more tied to their emotional reaction to the series rather than Aang finding out about the air nomads which for many serves as more of an initial shock in the story rather than an emotional moment.
1.6B – BokerBigBanana explains on 2022Dec06
To be a war criminal you have to violate a law of the Geneva Convention. Being a soldier doesn’t make you a war criminal.
Also, he would only be a war criminal in our world anyway since the GC doesn’t exist in Avatar.
1.6C – kidra31r explains on 2022Jun09
I feel that labeling Lu Ten as a war criminal is disingenuous. Unless there’s been something in the comics or other expanded material that I’ve missed, all we know is that he was a soldier in the army. Being on the wrong side of a war doesn’t automatically make you a war criminal.
My dumbass response on 2022Jun09
Really? Why don’t you just refuse to participate? 4th Nuremberg principle. Also, Lu Ten is a member of the fire national royal family right?
Then responses on 2022Jun09
Just being a soldier doesn’t make you a war criminal, and as far as we can tell Lu Ten was just a soldier. If we had evidence of an actual war crime, such as attacking those who had surrendered or the torture of prisoners, then we could call him a war criminal. Yes, Lu Ten was a member of the royal family, but that doesn’t mean he was in command of anything. He was serving under Iroh. If we use the Nuremberg trials as a precedent we can say that Iroh could be a war criminal since he was directly in command. But as far as I can tell the only time lower ranking soldiers were held on trial was when they were specifically involved with things like concentration camps.
Again, merely being a soldier on the wrong side doesn’t make you a war criminal. Unless we have record of Lu Ten specifically commiting a war crime, we can’t say he was a war criminal.
And on 2022Jun10
The fourth Nuremberg principal says they’re criminals if their commanding officer commanded them to torture prisoners or rape civilians or commit other specific war crimes. But again, just being a part of a war isn’t itself a war crime. That doesn’t make it the morally correct decision, but we’re talking specifically about whether or not Lu Ten is a war criminal not whether or not his actions were moral.
If you can find a specific example of sometime being convicted or even charged with a war crime for simply being a soldier then I’ll accept your point, but every example I can find is for something more extreme.
Me on 2022Aug26 :
oh ok thanks for the clarification. i mixed up war criminal and unjust war aggressor. lol.
1.7 – Testimony in r/TheLastAirbender
1.7A – ciki_melon on 2022Jun09
bro compares iroh to putin and expects us to agree with his take 💀
me on 2022Jun09
What? Not Iroh. Sozin. Sozin/Ozai to Putin.
But yeah Zuko’s Uncle Iroh is as much of a ‘villain’ in ATLA (‘The Last Airbender’) / TLOK (‘The Last Avatar’) as Kylo Ren’s Uncle Luke Skywalker was in Star Wars 8 (‘The Last Jedi’). Lol.
1.7B – Aradjha_at on 2022Jun09
Well specifically on the subject of Lu Ten, are you implying by your response that every fire Nation soldier is a war criminal? Because heads of state and military leaders are accountable for the actions their subordinates take while under their leadership. Is every Fire Nation citizen complicit in the War with BSS? Or more critically, the Genocide of the Airbenders?
Are the children of the world guilty by association, for all the crimes committed by their ancestors?
1.7C – OnlyFansBlue on 2022Jun09 makes a similar mistake in calling Lu Ten a war criminal. But yeah. It’s unjust war aggressor not war criminal. Lol.
Leaves from the Vine is considered sad to many because up until that point in the story, Uncle Iroh is a man you have come to love, respect, and look up to more so than anyone else in the show.
It is true that Lu Ten is a war criminal. It is true that he may have caused the deaths of countless innocent people.
But this moment transcends that. Upon Lu Ten’s death Uncle Iroh realizes first hand that what the Fire Nation was doing was unethical. He then spends months of his life trying to reconfigure himself spiritually and become a better person.
And he does, eventually, become a better person. He helps Zuko become better throughout his journey. He helps Toph understand that people don’t care for her because they think she’s weak, but because they want to care for her. The Tales of Ba Sing Se itself has Uncle Iroh helping several people.
But unfortunately, his spiritual awakening came too late. Had he been a better person before his son’s death, he could’ve helped his son become a better person, which would’ve prevented his son from losing his life to the war.
And that is his biggest regret.
That is why it’s sad. Uncle Iroh was a man raised with Fire Nation propaganda throughout his life. He chose to become better after the death of his son rather than doubling down on Ba Sing Se. He chose to become better even though it was hard for him.
And it is very hard. That is a fundamental truth. It’s hard to be a good person when the past weighs down on you, when everything you do seems to go the wrong way, when you get no immediate rewards for being good as you would with being bad, when you don’t see a real point with it because you were comfortable in your old life, and when you get based and beaten despite your goodness. We see that through his nephew, Zuko.
I’m very sorry to hear about you losing your relatives. I truly am. But Leaves from the Vine isn’t about the death of some relative of Putin. It’s about the death of a relative of a character who genuinely tried to change for the better and atone for his sins, which Putin has not. It’s in a world entirely displaced from ours, allowing us to see all sides of the story without our judgement being clouded by immediate biases in regards to our feelings of loss, as valid as they are in the real world. Ultimately, if it’s hard, you should just take it at its face value. It’s a fictional character crying over the loss of his son, which is sad no matter how you frame it. And to some people, it becomes even sadder because of their attachment to Uncle Iroh.
and then
We don’t know for sure whether Lu Ten was a war criminal or not, as his life story is left pretty unclear and told through Iroh’s feelings about him. The comment you linked raises a fantastic point but I read your comments about the situation with your relatives so I was moreso trying to be sensitive towards your feelings whilst talking about my own. They just put it in words I did not think of when I wrote my comment.
As for the propaganda aspect of it, I think that how you were raised as a child has the potential to impact who you are as an adult even years down the line. Emotions are messy and complex, and 18 isn’t some magical age wherein you transform into a completely different and significantly more mature person.
Maturity is something that occurs when you experience feelings and situations that drive you to be a better person. For most people, leaving their homes to go to universities (which occurs often at the age of 18) and gaining a boatload of responsibilities is when that occurs. Even if you stay at home with your parents, you would only mature when you start being responsible for your own life and contribute to the family in a meaningful way.
This is void in the lives of Iroh and Lu Ten. They were never truly challenged as people because they were heirs to the throne upon conception and only really had to carry out responsibilities they knew for a fact they would have to as they grew up in the Fire Nation. It’s presumable that nothing was a surprise in the life of Iroh–until the moment of Lu Ten’s death. That gave him a reason to look inward and as himself the big questions: who are you and what do you want? And he certainly did not want to wage a war that caused so much death and destruction in the name of glory after he realized the true consequences of said war personally.
If you told your child repeatedly that they were worthless and could do better, they would grow up not despising you as a failed parent, but despising themselves as a failure of a child. Had Zuko not gone through what he had in the second and early third seasons, he would never have come to the realization that what Ozai did to him was wrong.
I think ATLA itself is a good representation of this fact through Iroh and Zuko, although there are a plethora of characters in shows like BoJack Horseman that represent the same fact. I would highly recommend giving it a watch if you want to get into the heads of people who were messed up by their childhoods.
Furthermore, the propaganda was structured very well. Sozin’s ideology was imperialism so it isn’t far off to believe that the Fire Nation citizens were groomed into thinking of their actions as some kind of glorious spread of technological advancement. The fact that it could extend even to a general is a testament to how well the ideology was implanted into the minds of the Fire Nation soldiers.
But essentially, it is as you said. Childhood is an impressionable period and it is reasonable to assume that they were, to a degree, brainwashed. You hit the nail on the head there as to why Leaves from the Vine was so sad: Iroh and Lu Ten were good people at heart, just raised in a terrible environment that enabled them to do wrong things. The tragedy here is how they thought they were doing good when they were the villains of the story, even more so that it took them so long to realize sit that they couldn’t do much to change it.
Zuko was Iroh’s only remaining hope. If he could help at least one member of his family the way he wished he could’ve helped Lu Ten, he would be doing justice to his son’s death. It would mean his efforts did not go in vain. This is why he cared not whether Zuko was fighting for what was right or whether he was a mere assistant in a tea shop. As long as Zuko wasn’t fighting on the wrong side of a pointless war and craving for the pointless approval of his father, his death would not be in vain like Lu Ten’s was. He would die doing what he loved, not what was expected of him.
Thank you, OP, for reading through my comment. I’m glad I got my points across in a way that was sensitive to your situation yet still helping you understand my side of the argument. That was my intention. And I’m glad you’re engaging in a healthy, productive discussion and trying to understand all sides of the argument. I wish the best for you and your family. I only hope you were not demoralized or grief-stricken by this thread any more than you were before. I’m always here if you want to talk about the effects of said wars on your relatives. I don’t know how good I would be at giving advice on how to cope with the loss, as this is all very foreign to me, but I promise I will listen and try to help to the best of my abilities. You are strong and brave and I wish nothing but success for you ❤️❤️❤️
1.7D – MarcelZenner on 2022Jun09
Lost me the moment he wrote “war criminal” Lu Ten. How is every soldier a war criminal? Many soldiers are pressured, brainwashed or coerced to fight in wars. I always saw “Leaves from the vine” as a lament to sending his son into a pointless war. If you want to draw parallels to the Ukraine war: Someday more Russians will realize/accept how horrible Putins actions were. And they will mourn their sons who died, fighting in an unjust war. Sons, of which we don’t know, if they agreed with the orders they got or if they even knew what they were doing until it was too late. But I guess, in your book, they are war criminals too
deleted user (cannot find out username since camas reddit search is down since API is down)
How should this work? At the moment, Ding is in second place, and Nepo plays against Nakamura. So you believe Ding should help Nakamura prepare against Nepo? How should he do that? Send him his opening files? Ding would hurt himself more by giving up his analysis to a competitor. Furthermore, Nakamura would do best to play his own openings instead of playing what Ding plays.
Regarding the other players, like Radjabov, Duda and Rapport… they can’t win the tournament anymore, so why would they care about who takes first place?
me
Good questions. IDK with OP there except for what OP already said eg suggesting openings. In any case I think anything legal is collaboration isn’t going to be helpful. The only thing I can think to be helpful is collusion which is of course illegal.
deleted user
What’s the difference between collaboration and collusion, in your mind?
me
collaboration is if they discuss stuff to help each other genuinely improve, even if it’s aimed against bringing down another player. it’s a legitimate war strategy.
collusion is if they do something not genuine like fix a match result. it’s a war crime.
does that make sense?
user
Yes, thank you. I agree with your point then.
Whoooaaaa look who’s such a war crime expert now. XD
Duplicate : seems like korrasami is canon ._. – by Zugoldragon in r/TheLastAirbender post ID 2a7unt on 2014Jul09 – which links to this, which is the ff image where Asami seems to touch Korra’s boob :
Still, nowhere near as suggestive as that last picture. Seriously Korrasami isn’t going to be a thing. I will eat a sock if it is.
I swear to god, this is never going to be Canon in the show. I ain’t fuckin’ around either, i will upload a video of me eating a sock is one day Korra and Asami go lesbian for each other.
The image in link is as ff :
IRPudding on 2014Jul10
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TheGreatJonatron on 2014Dec20
We’re waiting.
jesusHERCULESchrist on 2014Dec21
Well, uh… Lets say the sock was a metaphor for my words, and i am now eating my words. I mean, who the fuck could have guess that would happen? Really? I ain’t got anyting gainst it, but i sure as hell didn’t see it coming.
Umaycum88 on 2014Dec24
You sweared to god though and you wasn’t fucking around either…you fucking liar…
Correction :
You swore to God though, and you weren’t fucking around either…you fucking liar…
FYI: I thought of your comment after I saw this new post.
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Cowards one and all! I’m glad my outrage stuck with you for 29 days. Nick execs screwed that show from day one.
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3.2 – (2022Jul) BlackSCrow to me in chat re Kei x Moeha in Kaguya-sama & Korrasami in ATLA / TLOK :
Lol, I’ve read one of your post and the reason for this is that you’re afraid that TLOK will repeat in anime? Well, I don’t think so… Firstly, because TLOK is American-produced, and many of American-produced cartoons are politicized, one form of the politicization is the inclusion of the alphabet people character. I don’t think something like that would work in Japan, especially in a manga like Kaguya-sama. Authors would probably touch upon it in heavy stories like Wonder Egg Priority or Yuri or Yaoi anime, but I don’t think they would include it in a comedic manga.
Also, I doubt that Aka would drop a bomb that big, especially with how many chapters are left, and also because the indications from the previous chapters are too weak. So yeah, I suppose it’s a wild theory lol
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