Also who is a Jew?

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( Previously part of 2023Jul11 post Rapid tiebreaks are anti-semitic? Lol. / Also who is a Jew? )

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Who is a Jew?

Part0 – 2023Aug Updates

• In chess, I guess Jews & Americans stick together, but in an honest way, hence ‘Jew-or-American’.
• ‘A Letter from Bobby Fischer to Pal Benko’ (1979) – Bobby cites a book that overestimates Jewish population. This is related to Hans Niemann vs Magnus Carlsen. (2022) – Ok so actually sheparoni_spotify might have been overestimating the Jewish population on Earth and thus in chess.

Part1 – Nepo, Boris Gelfand, Spouses

1.1 – Well, Nepo is definitely Jewish.

1.2 – Boris Gelfand is Israeli and that’s good enough for me because that’s good enough for r/Jewish because they let me post about the time Amin Tabatabaei forfeited to an Israeli on 2022Dec16. (Boris actually is though. But Soviet-born Israeli? Come on.)

1.3 – Spouses of Jews are Jews.

• And I guess Mischling Test is anti-semitic, but as I say in the 2023Aug Updates above, I can use Mischling Test for non-(anti-semitic) reasons. It’s not that ‘These people count as Jews, so I can discriminate against them too’ but that ‘These people count as Jews, so I can say they too are being discriminated against for being Jewish.’

Part2 – Soviets Jewish?

On 2022Dec15, just the day before Amin forfeited, I was told most current top Russian players are Jewish and that Fabi is Jewish by sheparoni_spotify, an anti-semitic person, who also told me Magnus Carlsen is anti-Semitic.

• I guess this applies to players of countries of former Soviet Union
• Also, Eugene Torre said in an interview w/ Bobby Fischer by Pablo Mercado on 1999Jan14 (after Bobby logged off) that Bobby Fischer had said something like most top Russian / Soviet players of I guess 1960 – 1999 are Jewish.

Part3 – The List

Anyway if those are wrong, then just assume that by ‘Jew’ I mean players who are … ‘Players who are Israeli, or from countries of former Soviet Union’ and others players whom I’m told are Jewish eg MVL & Fabi and players

• who are Israeli in ethnicity / descent / race, nationality or birth
• who are [‘Country X’ demonym] in ethnicity / descent / race, nationality or birth, where ‘Country X’ is any country / state of the former Soviet Union, including Uzbekistan / Kazakhstan even though their religion, according to Wikipedia, is, resp 96.1% / 70.3% Islam.
  • This means :
  • Russia : Dina Belenkaya (nose? But come on Russian-born Israeli?), Mikhail Botvinnik (actually is), David Bronstein (actually is), Maxim Dlugy, Daniil Dubov (nose?), Anish Giri (probably mom; spouse of Sopiko Guramishvili – also noses? – and their children Daniel ‘Danny’ & 2 others), Olga Girya, Alexander Grischuk x Kateryna Lagno (noses? ; also spouses.), Aleksandra Goryachkina, Sergey Karjakin (nose? ; 2nd spouse Galiya Kamalova), Anatoly Karpov, Garry Kasparov (duh; also nose?), Alexander Khalifman (actually is), Viktor Korchnoi (actually is), Nadezhda & Tatiana Kosintseva (noses?), Alexandra Kosteniuk (nose?), Vladimir ‘Vlad’ Kramnik (nose? or not?), Vera Menchik, Ian ‘Nepo’ Nepomniachtchi (actually is), Nazí Paikidze (ironic of course; nose? But come on Russian-born Georgian & American? Also look at American spouse Greg Barnes – noses?), Levy ‘Gotham Chess’ Rozman (actually is), Vasily Smyslov ( also see this ), Boris Spassky ( nose? or not? ; also see this ), Elena Tairova ( RIP )
  • Armenia : Tatev Abrahamyan, Levon Aronian (actually is; also nose? ; 1st spouse Arianne Caoili ( RIP ) ; 2nd spouse Anita Ayvazyan & their child Zabelle), Elina Danielian, Melikset ‘Melik’ Khachiyan, Tigran L Petrosian, Tigran V Petrosian, Manuel Petrosyan (come on look at noses of both Manuel & Daniil in the 2019 blitz WCC … oh same tournament Magnus cheated Alireza)
  • Azerbaijan : Nijat Abasov, Rauf Mamedov, Shakhriyar Mamedyarov, Daniel ‘Danya’ Naroditsky (actually is), Teimour Radjabov
  • Belarus : Ilya Smirin (actually is but come on Belarusian-born Israeli?)
  • Estonia : Paul Keres
  • Georgia : Nino Batsiashvili, Maia Chiburdanidze, Nana Dzagnidze, Nona Gaprindashvili, Sopiko Guramishvili (spouse of Anish Giri; also nose?), Baadur Jobava, Anna-Maja Kazarian (also nose?), Bella Khotenashvili, Nazí Paikidze (listed again)
  • Kazakhstan : Zhansaya Abdumalik, Alisher Suleymenov
  • Latvia : Daniel Fridman (actually is; might be a relative of Jewish American Lex Fridman), Alexei Shirov, Mikhail Tal (actually is)
  • Ukraine : Svitlana Demchenko (top 24 in the 2023 girls juniors classical WCC; future medical doctor kinda like Bassem Amin), Olga Dolzhykova ( sibling of 1st spouse of Sergey is Norwegian LOL ) x 2nd spouse. Efim Geller, Sergey Karjakin (listed again; nose?) x 1st spouse Kateryna Dolzhykova, Irina Krush (actually is; also nose?), Anna & Mariya Muzychuk, Daniel ‘Danya’ Naroditsky (listed again; actually is), Anna Ushenina (actually is; also nose?), Anna Zatonskih (spouse is Jewish Daniel Fridman; 2008 USCC – this article URL says ‘jewish women’; also nose?), Natalia Zhukova
  • Uzbekistan : Nodirbek Abdusattorov, Rustam Kasimdzhanov, Gulrukhbegim ‘Begim’ & Hulkar & Nafisa Tokhirjonova
• whom I’m credibly told are Jewish in ethnicity eg I find sheparoni_spotify credible because as YOJIMBO_KING told me on 2023Feb04 ‘A racist can always spot another racist’ … of course that’s referring Magnus’ supposed racism and not whether Fabi, MVL, et al are really Jewish.
  • sheparoni_spotify told me :
    • Levon Aronian (listed again; actually is)
    • Fabiano ‘Fabi’ Caruana
    • Daniil Dubov (listed again)
    • Benjamin ‘Ben’ Finegold (nose?)
      • 1st spouse : Gina Lynne LoSasso aka Gina Linn
        • 2nd spouse of 1st spouse : Christopher Langan (I guess unless Ben & Gina annulled instead of divorced.
        • Child of 1st spouse : Spencer Finegold
      • 2nd spouse : Kelly
        • Child of 2nd spouse : Erum
      • 3rd spouse : Karen
    • Bobby Fischer (just saying to be complete)
    • Sergey Karjakin (listed again)
    • Garry Kasparov (listed again; actually is; just saying to be complete)
    • Shakhriyar ‘Shak’ Mamedyarov (listed again)
    • Daniel ‘Danya’ Naroditsky (listed again; actually is)
    • Ian ‘Nepo’ Nepomniachtchi (listed again; actually is)
    • Hans Niemann
    • Daniel ‘Danny’ Rensch
    • Levy ‘Gotham Chess’ Rozman (listed again; actually is)
    • Maxime ‘MVL’ Vachier-Lagrave (nose?)
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    • Also Cunningham’s law : If they’re actually or probably not Jewish, then people will say so, and then we’ll find out that they might not be. Also, we might find out if there’s an explanation why Magnus refuses to play Jewish American cheater Hans but not the 3 gentile non-Americans Parham, Pranav & Sébastien Feller.
    • But I think YOJIMBO_KING is right or at least that sheparoni_spotify is making a statement against interest : If Magnus is cheating, baselessly accusing or doing other evil things to certain players, then why would an anti-Semitic person reveal that they are actually Jews?
      • Or well maybe it cuts both ways : I could say ‘Oh look Magnus hates Jews’ instead of ‘Magnus hates French’. An anti-Semitic person could say ‘They deserve it’ eg ‘MVL deserved to have been vicariously cheated through Alireza by Magnus.’

Part4 – Gentiles

I’m guessing the 2 Bulgarians Antoaneta Stefanova & Veselin Topalov are gentiles.

Part5 – Misc

Terrence ‘Terry’ Oved, lawyer of Hans is Jewish in religion and probably in ethnicity based on nose.

Part6 – On specific suspected Jews / Gentiles

Part6.1 – Hans Niemann – I think Jewish

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Part6.1.1 – Alisher Suleymenov – I think Jewish

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Part6.2 – Fabiano Caruana – I think Jewish

Wikipedia says

When he was five, his chess talent was discovered in an after-school chess program at Congregation Beth Elohim, a reform Jewish congregation in Park Slope. That year he played his first tournament at the Polgar Chess Center in Queens, New York City.

The Polgar’s are Jewish. Fabi went to a Jewish congregation and then played in a Jewish chess centre. Come on.

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Part6.2.1 – 2023Dec08 9:10pm GMT+8 – Catholic Italian American tells me about Fabi.

Quote of TheBuzzati in this video where Fabi defends Hans :

For some reason people think Caruana is Jewish because he grew up playing chess at Beth Elohim. Thing is, a lot of us Italian Americans lived in places like Park Slope and Borough Park Brooklyn — and I played chess at the same Jewish congregation that Fabi did – it was the only place around to learn the game, and I grew up Catholic. They let anyone in.

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Part6.3 – I asked a French anime fan

I asked a French anime fan who watches The Quintessential Quintuplets & Kaguya-sama if e has any idea if MVL is Jewish. Then I proceeded to ask about others. The fan was known as Shinaii 🌊 (@Shinaii_) but is as of 2023Nov16 known as Mu’izz 🌊 (@10yearsjoint). [Could be the same Shinaii_ from myanimelist.] E is 100% sure MVL is Jewish. Shinaii_’s opinion is unbiased because Shinaii_ said Alireza is gentile, even though it would serve my nefarious righteous purposes if Alireza were Jewish.

Part6.3.0A – Maxime ‘MVL’ Vachier-Lagrave – I think Jewish

1 – I asked Shinaii_

‘do you have any idea if MVL is jewish? like can you tell from the way the person looks or something maybe?’ I also attached a link to MVL’s 2021 Chess9LX interview 2021 Champions Showdown | Chess 9LX: Maxime Vachier-Lagrave Interview | Day 3. ( 2023Jun 21 4:06 PM )

Response

‘Yeah they have a big nose’ ( 2023Jun21 7:22 PM )

I asked for clarification: 100% sure ( 2023Aug10 11:21 PM )

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Part6.3.0B – Alireza Firouzja – I think gentile

1 – I asked Shinaii_ ‘Another s’il vous plaît – Alireza Firouzja – jewish? Or not? Probably not because Alireza is iranian-born and probably Muslim but idk e speaks French sooo…’ ( 2023Jun21 9:31 PM )

Response ‘Mhhhh Muslim’ ( 2023Jun21 9:31 PM )

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Part6.3.1 – Sébastien Feller whom I know from Hans’ lawsuit vs Magnus – I think gentile

Of course, my bias is I hope Sébastien’s gentile, so I can say ‘hey, see! Magnus plays against gentile non-American cheaters.’

1 – I asked Shinaii_

‘ jew or not please? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A9bastien_Feller ‘ ( 2023Jul04 6:05 AM )

response

‘i’d say no’ 2023Jul04 6:23 AM

Mwahahahaha!

I asked for clarification: 40% sure ( 2023Aug10 11:21 PM )

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Part6.3.3 – Jules Moussard ( whom I know from almost beating Wesley So in 2023 World Cup ) – I think gentile

1 – I don’t think I asked Shinaii_ for any reason other than Jules is French. Lol.

Jew or gentile please? ( Added link Wesley is So Strong | GM Jules Moussard vs GM Wesley So | FIDE World Cup 2023 ) ( 2023Aug10 1:29 AM )

Response

‘Mhhhhh Juif’ ( 2023Aug10 4:35 AM )

I asked for clarification: 25% sure ( 2023Aug10 11:21 PM )

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Part6.3.4 – Vincent Keymer – I think gentile

Well I’m hoping Vincent is gentile, so that Vincent-Magnus can be the new Quisling-Hitler, but this time the Norwegian is the führer while the German is the subservient. Lol. I guess Magnus likes Hitler more than Bobby did.

1 – I asked Shinaii_

‘ German not french but … Juif? gentil?’ ( Attached Vincent Keymer speaks about his win against Magnus Carlsen | FIDE World Cup 2023 ) ( Attached Hikaru is Shocked to See Magnus in a Losing Position During The FIDE World Cup ) ( 2023Aug10 6:52 PM )

Response :

‘Gentil’ ( 2023Aug10 11:21 PM )

Mwahahahaha

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Part6.3.5 – Nijat Abasov – I think Jewish or Gentile, whichever suits my purposes. Mwahahahaha.

I’m hoping gentile for the same reason as Parham, Pranav & Sébastien.

1 – I asked Shinaii_

‘Jew or gentile please?’ ( 2023Aug28 1:10 PM )

Response

‘Gentil / Il a pas une tête de juif’ – ‘Gentile / He doesn’t look like a Jew'( 2023Aug28 1:10 PM )

Ah whatever. I’ll call Nijat Jewish or Gentile, depending on whatever suits my needs. Mwahahahaha.

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Part6.4 – Sopiko Guramishvili x Anish Giri – I think Jewish

1 – For Anish – Ok I was told ‘Giri’ is a Hindu / an Indian surname. I’ll concede Anish’s dad’s side is gentile. But then Anish is Russian on h mom’s side and Anish’s Russian side is really my basis, so that’s not really a counter-argument. Actually, if Anish’s mom is Jewish, then Anish’s dad is Jewish ( assuming they’re married ). ( Actually, ‘giri‘ is a Japanese word too as in ‘giri choco‘, as I learned from Kaguya-sama s3 opening re ‘Anish Giri speaks his Heart out to people mocking him for making Draws’. )

1.1 – 2023Nov21 Update – oh that person might’ve been Anubrata Karmakar aka anubratakarmakar4083 who contacted me again saying ‘Anish isn’t Jewish , Anish is Hindu’ here.

Transcript :

anubratakarmakar4083 :

Anish isn’t Jewish , Anish is Hindu

me :

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Are you the same guy who told me before that Giri is a Hindu surname?

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So what if Anish is gentile on dad’s side – Anish can just be Jewish on mom’s side?

anubratakarmakar4083 :

1 Yes 2 That can be true though

1.2 – Ah yes I found it. I remember someone told me something like that in a 2023 tournament, so I thought back to Tata Steel, Norway Chess, etc. So yeah it’s 2023 Norway Chess.

‘What Is Anish Tweeting?’ – date upload 2023Jun09 – video ID SBBw5FdHzSE

From comments :

Transcript :

anubratakarmakar4083

Anish is technically Nepali , it’s a Hindu name , He ain’t a Jewish

me

But Anish is Russian born and has a Russian mom?

anubratakarmakar4083

His father Santosh Kumar Giri is Nepali , Dont know about his mother / Names do not necessarily directly denote religion or ethnicity but it may hint

1.2.1 – Actually, there was someone else – Curious banda aka curious_banda … Yeah actually curious_banda is the person I was thinking of :

Transcript :

curious_banda

Anish isn’t a Jewish name, it’s a Hindu name, though he must be an atheist.

me

I was told in 2022Dec top Russian players are Jewish. Anish is technically russian-born. Also Eugene Torre said on 1999Jan14 interview w/ Bobby Fischer & Pablo Mercado that most Russian players were Jewish – at least according to Bobby Fischer. Not sure if Eugene thinks / thought that too.

curious_banda

I don’t care what you were said. Giri is an Indian Hindu surname.

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Part6.5 – Nodirbek Abdusattorov – I think Jewish

1 – Iirc : Someone told me in, I think early 2023 probably during Tata Steel & in agadmator’s channel something like ‘Nodirbek is Uzbek and so is Muslim.’ I responded ‘Could be Jewish in ethnicity.’ Then that person responded ‘Well, I did see some Jews in [some city in Uzbekistan] the other day, so maybe you’re right. 😂’ But ok this was probably just ‘fanservice’ or something like when Sergey told me ‘Wesley is a hero.‘ Lol.

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Part6.6 – Alexei Shirov – I think Jewish

1 – Look at Emil Sutovsky‘s tweet on 2023Sep02 7:05 PM

Quote:

Once upon a time in…

Where?

Once upon a time in…

Where? pic.twitter.com/vOZum0sDyk

— Emilchess (@EmilSutovsky) September 2, 2023

There’s exactly 1 thing attached namely a photo. I find it’s a photo of 4 Jewish players: Emil Sutovsky, Boris Gelfand & 2 cheated by their fellow Jewish European / European Jew Garry Kasparov, namely Alexei Shirov & Judit Polgar.

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