Liren Ding’s stupid list of role model players – Veselin & top 2 WCCs Magnus & Garry – why not Vlad & top 2 WFRCCs Wesley, Bobby ? ( 2023Apr )

Series : Good guys vs Bad guys – Table of Contents

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Duplicate / Elaboration :

• Initially posted: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-players/ding-lirens-list-of-role-model-players-veselin-magnus-garry-why-not-vlad-wesley-bobby-86743067
• Also posted: in ‘Fischer-Random Chess (Chess960 /FRC)’, a facebook group that Eugene Torre is in. – date 2023May09
• Also posted: Liren Ding’s stupid role model player list: Magnus Veselin Garry, not Wesley Vlad Bobby (2023Apr) – video ID FlNsFKeq-iE – date 2023May28

• Also posted: Liren Ding’s stupid list of role model players – Why baseless accusers & cheaters Veselin Topalov, Magnus Carlsen, Garry Kasparov instead of honest players & correct accusers Vladimir Kramnik, Wesley So, Bobby Fischer? – post ID 13tnuco – date 2023May28

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See this : Chess960 players are more honest than chess players. Look at the top 2 classical world champions of each ( as of 2023Dec ). – Magnus Carlsen & Garry Kasparov are corrupt racist sexist traitors, hypocritical cheaters, etc vs Wesley So & Bobby Fischer. There’s ‘engine cheating’ and then there’s ‘bullying cheating’.

Oh also check out chessgames.com https://www.chessgames.com/chessstats.html as of 2023May. There’s more kibitzing for my list vs Ding Liren’s list: (They also removed Kenneth Rogoff since last time 2021Dec.)

	My list		Ding Liren’s list
2019 WFRCC finalists	Wesley So	>	Magnus Carlsen
2006 WCC finalists	Vladimir Kramnik	>	Veselin Topalov
1975 WCC finalists (in a way)	Bobby Fischer	>	Garry Kasparov (since Garry drew a million times with Anatoly Karpov)

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Question 1: What’s your opinion of this list except Paco Vallejo? It contains baseless accusers & cheaters. Sources:

1. https://twitter.com/FIDE_chess/status/1644625231519121411
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C9tL1XijM0&t=2520s

Ding Liren’s list, which includes the top 2 classical world chess champions (more info : Chess960 players are more honest than chess players. Look at the top 2 classical world champions of each. )

1. Veselin Topalov – baselessly & incorrectly accused Vladimir Kramnik of cheating in 2006 WCC.
2. Magnus Carlsen – baselessly, HYPOCRITICALLY & incorrectly accused A TEENAGER Hans Niemann of OVER-THE-BOARD CLASSICAL cheating in 2022 Sinquefield Cup despite having ALSO cheated Anish Giri in 2023 Superbet Blitz, Alexandra Kosteniuk in 2009 blitz WCC, Alireza Firouzja in 2019 blitz WCC, Danya Naroditsky on lichess twice & Ian Nepomniachtchi in the 2021 WCC by touch move.
3. Garry Kasparov – is a traitor to Jews for cheating fellow Jew Judit Polgar in 1994 Linares, cheated Vishy Anand in 1995 classical PCA WCC & in the Garry Kasparov vs the world in 1999 & baselessly, hypocritically & incorrectly accused IBM (Deep Blue) of cheating in 1997.

Question 2: Do you find Liren’s list better than what I consider like an ‘opposite’ list? This list includes the top 2 classical world Fischer random chess champions, where Bobby Fischer is the 0th honourary classical WFRCC.

1. Vladimir Kramnik – fairly & easily defeated Veselin Topalov in the 2006 WCC (easily because e won even after resigning a game).
2. Bobby Fischer – would’ve easily defeated Anatoly Karpov in the 1975 WCC regardless of the rules, including Bobby Fischer’s ‘perfectly fair’ & ‘absolutely fair’ & ‘ridiculously fair’ & justified conditions and thus would’ve easily defeated Garry Kasparov (since Anatoly drew with Garry a million times), well, at least in 9LX, and correctly accused Tigran V Petrosian, Paul Geller & Efim Keres of cheating.
   1. ‘Bobby Fischer (2005)’ – talks about 1975 WCC conditions 
3. Wesley So – easily defeated Magnus Carlsen in the 2019 WFRCC which was primarily in classical time controls because 45+15=60 is classical and thus the only classical WC in history as far as Bobby Fischer would be concerned and correctly accused Tigran L Petrosian of cheating.
   1. Classical Fischer Random – we already had it in 2019 WFRCC? Why does FIDE call a 60min game ‘slow rapid’ ?
   2. Wesley So vs Tigran L Petrosian copypasta

Now, Bobby Fischer may have done some evil things outside chess, but in chess Bobby Fischer has never done anything evil.

In general: Chess 2023Apr – Good guys vs Bad guys

• bad guys: magnus carlsen, garry kasparov, daniil dubov, veselin topalov, hikaru nakamura, liren ding, chess itself

• good guys: wesley so, bobby fischer, sergey karjakin, vladimir kramnik, hans niemann, ian nepomniachtchi, chess960 itself ( the top 2 classical chess960 players by score are on this list: wesley so & nepo! )

• or maybe if not ‘bad guys’ & ‘good guys’ then resp ‘allies of ‘evil’ & ‘axis of evil’ ( 9LX creator Bobby Fischer talks about ‘axis of evil’ vs ‘allies of evil’…including Australia? )

Oh also check out chessgames.com https://www.chessgames.com/chessstats.html as of 2023May. There’s more kibitzing for my list vs Ding Liren’s list: (They also removed Kenneth Rogoff since last time 2021Dec.)

	My list		Ding Liren’s list
2019 WFRCC finalists	Wesley So (212,324)	>	Magnus Carlsen (83,185)
2006 WCC finalists	Vladimir Kramnik (39,989)	>	Veselin Topalov (17,487)
1975 WCC finalists (in a way)	Bobby Fischer (56,502)	>	Garry Kasparov (18,646) (since Garry drew a million times with Anatoly Karpov)

Last time in 2021Dec:

Wesley So: Why top kibitzing page? Faced barracudas. Magnus Carlsen is a pampered goldfish.

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